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mellisamouse
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13 May 2011, 6:09 pm

Are we realy gullable and naive??

I seem to be constantly scammed, and riped off and taken advantage of, and I feel like people who are dishonest flock to me like predators, just to take advantage.. :oops:



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13 May 2011, 6:14 pm

Yes, aspies tend to be gullible. It's part of our empathy problem.



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13 May 2011, 6:22 pm

damn, wish I could smarten up and get some street sense..



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13 May 2011, 6:30 pm

Being gullible, naive and generous makes us easy targets. It seems like bullies can pick up on it, and then they use it against us.

Now I just prefer to stay home with my family, they don't use me in selfish ways!! !


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13 May 2011, 6:31 pm

Yeah, I tend to be rather too trusting on a lot of issues, but I guess I have a healthy balance of irrational paranoia so it all kind of works out.


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13 May 2011, 6:59 pm

yeh, irrational paranoia works for me :)


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13 May 2011, 7:15 pm

I personally prefare to use the terms trusting and innocent, for gullable and naive.
Yes there times am too trusting of people, however I learnt from my mistakes.
Also by learning from experience & working on my social skills via personal development courses I did in the past,
I learnt to how to avoid beeing tricked and taking for a ride.



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13 May 2011, 8:27 pm

Yes! Me too.

Similar subject are posted on this board from time to time. I have posted similar replies. At work, while I know that the majority of the time this is not the case, I always assume that everything I am told is a lie, to give me time to reflect and work out the motives of the person or people involved. This is a terrible state of affairs, I know, but it works for me.

This technique falls down in social or domestic situations which, in particular, ought to be founded on support and trust. At work issues are generally recorded and written down so it is possible to revert back to actual agreements. This is not the case in a less formal situation.

NT's use, what I see as, lies all the time. I do not necessarily mean that they tell untruths, they have an ability to communicate and manipulate fact to their own benefit, often by making the other party feel good. A technique used in sales. to persuade someone to buy something that they do not really need/want. I would be very interested to hear if any Aspies have made a success in sales, they may have many lessons and use techniques that could benefit other Aspies and help them cope with the NT world.



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13 May 2011, 8:43 pm

BassMan_720 wrote:
A technique used in sales. to persuade someone to buy something that they do not really need/want. I would be very interested to hear if any Aspies have made a success in sales, they may have many lessons and use techniques that could benefit other Aspies and help them cope with the NT world.


This technique would it be neuro-linguistic programming by any chance?



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13 May 2011, 9:28 pm

I personally view some people as predators. Its as if they can sense we are somebody to take advantage of. Just as in the wild, a predator will try to kill off an animal it perceives as weaker than themselves. It's the same way in the people world. Although a human predator won't actually try and kill, they will try to take advantage of us.



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13 May 2011, 9:33 pm

StevieC wrote:
yeh, irrational paranoia works for me :)

Same. :lol: I'd rather be too paranoid than too trusting.



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13 May 2011, 10:44 pm

How is being gullible have to do with empathy?


Yes aspies to tend to be gullible and naive, I think it has to do with theory of mind and not picking up on cues. Because we tend to be honest and would never cheat anyone, it wouldn't occur to us someone is trying to do that to us. By the time we figure it out, it's too late because it's already happened.

The only way to prevent scams is to learn how how stuff works and the world, then know what is true and that way we will pick up when someone is bullshitting and also learn anything you see on TV that is trying to sell you something, it is usually a rip off so do not buy. Or sometimes the item is not necessary. Like Your Baby Can Read and the Baby Bullet for example. Those are not necessary to get. You can teach a baby to read without the program and you can make baby food without the bullet. You can use another bullet you have and my husband and I already have one we got for Christmas from my parents. We use it for smoothies but you can use to make baby food too for that or a blender. Plus you can buy baby food storage containers.

Also never send money to anyone online unless it's on ebay when you win or buy an item or on etsy or other sites where you can buy from sellers.



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15 May 2011, 2:58 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Because we tend to be honest and would never cheat anyone, it wouldn't occur to us someone is trying to do that to us. By the time we figure it out, it's too late because it's already happened.



i've watched enough episodes of Hustle and TRH et al :D

although that combined with paranoia works for me.


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15 May 2011, 5:58 pm

Yup, I can definitely relate... =( *hugs if wanted/accepted*

Sometimes though, I think the traits that make us gullible also make us great/loyal friends. :)



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15 May 2011, 7:06 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
This technique would it be neuro-linguistic programming by any chance?

Wow! that's a big name for lying.

I suppose it is. Can aspies master the technique or are we too blind to others thoughts/reactions to make it work?

League_Girl wrote:
How is being gullible have to do with empathy?

Personally I think it is linked very strongly. I suppose it depends on what you mean by empathy. I I reckon NTs' empathic abilities allow them to read the other party better to more easily see through lies.

kittie wrote:
Sometimes though, I think the traits that make us gullible also make us great/loyal friends.

It's good to see a positive note. I couldn't agree more.



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15 May 2011, 7:24 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
This technique would it be neuro-linguistic programming by any chance?

Wow! that's a big name for lying.

I suppose it is. Can aspies master the technique or are we too blind to others thoughts/reactions to make it work?

League_Girl wrote:
How is being gullible have to do with empathy?

Personally I think it is linked very strongly. I suppose it depends on what you mean by empathy. I I reckon NTs' empathic abilities allow them to read the other party better to more easily see through lies.

kittie wrote:
Sometimes though, I think the traits that make us gullible also make us great/loyal friends.

It's good to see a positive note. I couldn't agree more.