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dantheman187
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08 Dec 2011, 4:51 am

Hi. Not gonna bother with a back story, just wondering if there is a sleeping pill out there that will knock you out and you won't wake up feeling like you had a huge
night out on the drink, still need to function the next day so I can jump through the hoops of life. just wanna be able to get home pop a couple pills, bang wake up fresh
and repeat the daily bs as is expected. is there anything that anyone knows about out there that sounds familiar to this description ? doesn't matter if a perscription is required.



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08 Dec 2011, 5:18 am

Ambien. Approximately six hours of active effect, then it's out of your system like it never was there. I've been taking it for years, it can have some odd side effects like sleepwalking or partial amnesia, but the tradeoff of being able to keep a normal sleep schedule is worth the trouble to me. If you're like me and have a real problem with staying asleep, .5 milligrams of Klonapin taken an hour before the Ambien let's me get a full 8 hours, more if I've missed sleep recently, without any "stickyness" waking up.


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08 Dec 2011, 5:56 am

My sleep pattern is ok unless I'm working nights for a week, more or less I just wanna get home and go to bed
don't wanna get home and have nothing to do till I eventually fall asleep late and wake up sleep deprived.

Lost the motorvation to try or do anything but the typical daily bs that is expected at work, used to be able to masturbate
then get sleepy, now I couldn't even be bothered to do that, hope these pills will be the trick for me !



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08 Dec 2011, 10:20 am

i came into the thread as i thought you were looking for street drugs!! anyhoooo, i have tried a few as the doctor wants me to sleep more to cope with anxiety better, but most did not work or made me extremely depressed (or i had an allergic reaction).

of the lot, ativan helped me massively (took a small dose at night), but the doctor was concerned i would become addicted. so i am back to square one. hope you find something that works, OP


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08 Dec 2011, 11:13 am

almost every drug who's sole purpose is to provide a soporific effect is also addictive, and tolerances to them rapidly develop.

i think that diphenhydramine is a reasonably safe way to get to sleep as long as it is not used continuously.

it does not require a prescription, and it certainly makes one extremely drowsy within about 40 minutes of ingestion.
it is an antihistamine, but it's sleep inducing effect somewhat outranks it's antihistamine purpose.
in australia, it is also sold as a sleep inducing agent. i can buy a packet of "unisom sleep gels" for $9 with no prescription and it is certainly a potent sleep inducing preparation.

the effect is noticeable for about 10 hours, and when you wake up after 8 hours, you still feel somewhat tired, but with an hour or 2 of waking up, you can tell that you are fully alert and satisfactorily refreshed.

i seem to experience no REM sleep when i am asleep after taking them, and i think it is not good to use them every night, because you may go crazy.

i have not used them for many years, but there was one fortnight where i took a tablet every night, and i went out like a light (that has been switched off), and i woke the next day not having experienced even one second of my sleep experience. i started to worry because my mind started to feel stale.

the first night after i ceased taking them, i had an explosion of dreams, and it felt like almost all my sleep was REM (it was still relaxing), and the next day, i felt as mentally fresh as i could be.


it is not an answer to a chronic problem, but used on occasions, they may help.



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08 Dec 2011, 12:08 pm

b9 wrote:
almost every drug who's sole purpose is to provide a soporific effect is also addictive, and tolerances to them rapidly develop.

i think that diphenhydramine is a reasonably safe way to get to sleep as long as it is not used continuously.

it does not require a prescription, and it certainly makes one extremely drowsy within about 40 minutes of ingestion.
it is an antihistamine, but it's sleep inducing effect somewhat outranks it's antihistamine purpose.
in australia, it is also sold as a sleep inducing agent. i can buy a packet of "unisom sleep gels" for $9 with no prescription and it is certainly a potent sleep inducing preparation.

the effect is noticeable for about 10 hours, and when you wake up after 8 hours, you still feel somewhat tired, but with an hour or 2 of waking up, you can tell that you are fully alert and satisfactorily refreshed.

i seem to experience no REM sleep when i am asleep after taking them, and i think it is not good to use them every night, because you may go crazy.

i have not used them for many years, but there was one fortnight where i took a tablet every night, and i went out like a light (that has been switched off), and i woke the next day not having experienced even one second of my sleep experience. i started to worry because my mind started to feel stale.

the first night after i ceased taking them, i had an explosion of dreams, and it felt like almost all my sleep was REM (it was still relaxing), and the next day, i felt as mentally fresh as i could be.


it is not an answer to a chronic problem, but used on occasions, they may help.


Hmm that's sold as benydryl it definitaly can make you drowsey, just don't take too many of them at once that can cause some unpleasent effects.


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08 Dec 2011, 1:14 pm

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i came into the thread as i thought you were looking for street drugs!!


Have you got any? :P


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08 Dec 2011, 2:06 pm

Valerian is a natural remedy that may work for you. Valerian is a herb that has been long used as a remedy for insomnia. It is an over-the-counter insomnia remedy in Germany, France, Switzerland, Belgium, and Italy.



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08 Dec 2011, 2:13 pm

Moog wrote:
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i came into the thread as i thought you were looking for street drugs!!


Have you got any? :P

hahahaha *looks around for narcs*


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08 Dec 2011, 6:33 pm

Everybody reacs differently to different meds. I have tried several sleep meds and I can tell you how they worked for me. You should talk to your doctor, or try the OTC ones for yourself, and see what works for you.

Ambien. It's fast acting, less than 30 minutes, usually 15 to onset, and it's a good, deep sleep without a hangover. The problem with it for me is that I wake 4 hours after taking it, and can't get back to sleep without taking another one. They recently came out Ambien CR, but I haven't tried it.

Lunesta. Makes me just very drowsy and a thorazine like "can't think" type feeling, but it doesn't put me to sleep when I'm having the serious insomnia.

Seroquel. Same as above, but sometimes has a paradoxical reaction and I can't sleep but am just very "thorazine" feeling. Leaves the worst drug hangover I've ever had. It's a never again, even if I never sleep again, drug.

Restoril. Doesn't do much at all. Light drowsiness which would help if I am already tired.

Diphenhydramine. Works well if I haven't taken it in a long time. After a day or two, the side effects lessen greatly.

Doxylamine. Works much better than diphenhydramine, but the tolerance builds quickly with this one as well.

Xanax. Works mainly for anxiety for me, and I would need about 2mg to sleep. Leaves a hangover.

Melatonin. Works to help with falling asleep, but doesn't really make me drowsy. Facilitates falling asleep if I can be still and stop thinking.

There are also other drugs that are soetimes given for sleep, such as Trazadone, Visteril, Phenergan, Valium, Ativan, Clonopin. They either don't work well, or leave me with a hangover.

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08 Dec 2011, 6:49 pm

Yeah, I think individual difference are pretty significant with meds, let alone in a population known to have odd reactions.

I was prescribed Ambien for a while. I had a paradoxical reaction to it, though. I'd end up staying up for hours playing computer games. I was also prescribed Xanax for a number of years, but quickly became tolerant to it. I had no major difficulties coming off of it, though.

I was also once prescribed Risperdal as a sleep med. It worked -- like a sledgehammer. The trouble was that it would last well into the next day, and made functioning normally pretty difficult.

I've tried Valerian, but it made me depressed after a while. And the same with theanine. And also with klonopin. But I'm really sensitive to depression as a side-effect.

Oh, and also (geez, how many drugz have I been on?) doxepin. That worked pretty well, and still does, though less so. One downside is that it tends to cause weight gain, so another tricyclic might be better (they all tend to be sedating, I think).



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08 Dec 2011, 6:52 pm

For me, once I'm in bed, I can generally sleep all right. But sometimes I don't get to bed until like 3 or so. I do the opposite of you for feeling good in the morning, I have canned ice coffee or an energy drink in a mini fridge next to my bed, so as soon as I'm up, I can take my caffeine and feel ready for the day.



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09 Dec 2011, 3:55 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
Ambien. It's fast acting, less than 30 minutes, usually 15 to onset, and it's a good, deep sleep without a hangover. The problem with it for me is that I wake 4 hours after taking it, and can't get back to sleep without taking another one. They recently came out Ambien CR, but I haven't tried it.


AFAIK, the AmbienCR is mostly a way of re-patenting the drug, as it is much more expensive than generic Ambien and does not have a generic version. I've tinkered with the standard pills for years as I have very stubborn insomnia, and I do have one other "trick" that helps with the waking up thing. That is buying empty gel-caps at the pharmacy in several sizes and nesting several of them with a 5mg ambien tablet in the center. I take my normal 10mg pill, and when I start to feel drowsy I take the nested pill. It takes long enough to dissolve, especially if I take it with a little food, that it extends the Ambien effect long enough to let me sleep through the night.

I don't have to go through that anymore because I have access to Klonapin, which is a persistent anti-anxiety drug that seems to synergize with the Ambien and allow me to sleep through the night. If you can get Ambien and not Klonapin though, the nested pill method does work, you just need to account for the extra doses when getting your prescriptions written. Even with the hassle, it's still much cheaper than the Ambien CR.


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09 Dec 2011, 11:39 am

Dox47 wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Ambien. It's fast acting, less than 30 minutes, usually 15 to onset, and it's a good, deep sleep without a hangover. The problem with it for me is that I wake 4 hours after taking it, and can't get back to sleep without taking another one. They recently came out Ambien CR, but I haven't tried it.


AFAIK, the AmbienCR is mostly a way of re-patenting the drug, as it is much more expensive than generic Ambien and does not have a generic version. I've tinkered with the standard pills for years as I have very stubborn insomnia, and I do have one other "trick" that helps with the waking up thing. That is buying empty gel-caps at the pharmacy in several sizes and nesting several of them with a 5mg ambien tablet in the center. I take my normal 10mg pill, and when I start to feel drowsy I take the nested pill. It takes long enough to dissolve, especially if I take it with a little food, that it extends the Ambien effect long enough to let me sleep through the night.

I don't have to go through that anymore because I have access to Klonapin, which is a persistent anti-anxiety drug that seems to synergize with the Ambien and allow me to sleep through the night. If you can get Ambien and not Klonapin though, the nested pill method does work, you just need to account for the extra doses when getting your prescriptions written. Even with the hassle, it's still much cheaper than the Ambien CR.


I don't know that I would trust Ambien as far as I know that has some pretty weird effects. Like one of my friends ended up driving people home while 'asleep' on ambien and only vaugly remembered it the way you might remember a confusing dream the next morning. So I'd be careful with that one.


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09 Dec 2011, 1:07 pm

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i came into the thread as i thought you were looking for street drugs!!


Have you got any? :P


You mean like my leftover stash of Vicodins from my surgery last year? You could intentionally break a leg and the doctor would probably give you a bunch. They tend to give out a prescription for more than you absolutely need. You have to separate out the acetaminophen from the narcotic to really get a high off them though. :P



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09 Dec 2011, 1:34 pm

Dox47 wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Ambien. It's fast acting, less than 30 minutes, usually 15 to onset, and it's a good, deep sleep without a hangover. The problem with it for me is that I wake 4 hours after taking it, and can't get back to sleep without taking another one. They recently came out Ambien CR, but I haven't tried it.


AFAIK, the AmbienCR is mostly a way of re-patenting the drug, as it is much more expensive than generic Ambien and does not have a generic version. I've tinkered with the standard pills for years as I have very stubborn insomnia, and I do have one other "trick" that helps with the waking up thing. That is buying empty gel-caps at the pharmacy in several sizes and nesting several of them with a 5mg ambien tablet in the center. I take my normal 10mg pill, and when I start to feel drowsy I take the nested pill. It takes long enough to dissolve, especially if I take it with a little food, that it extends the Ambien effect long enough to let me sleep through the night.

I don't have to go through that anymore because I have access to Klonapin, which is a persistent anti-anxiety drug that seems to synergize with the Ambien and allow me to sleep through the night. If you can get Ambien and not Klonapin though, the nested pill method does work, you just need to account for the extra doses when getting your prescriptions written. Even with the hassle, it's still much cheaper than the Ambien CR.


My problem with Ambien or bezos or any drug that works on GABA receptors is I have to keep increasing the dose to have any effect after a while.

I go back and forth between trazodone (prescription) and melatonin (over the counter). My problem is mainly getting to sleep though. Melatonin can induce an in intense REM cycle which leads to me waking up after 4-5 hours, but I usually fall asleep after that. The trazodone can make it too difficult to wake up if I can't get 7-8 hours of sleep which is why I switch to melatonin on days that I have to rise early.