Do not kill yourself

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Think about it. It is the most selfish thing you can do to anyone in the world.
This is more than being sociopathic. it is egotistic and evil.
If you hate yourself, you should try to be better.
You are loving yourself so much that you would rather prosecute the world than to do anything to help the world.
Do not do it.
Take this piece of advice and you already are a better person that who you were a minute ago.
Get some help. Asking for help is brave. Because it is based on the belief that you want to be better.
Be better.
Forgive yourself. That is what is important.
We love ya.

I realise you are trying to help but I don't think that is very accurate and kinda just makes me feel guilty for being depressed and struggling with suicidal feelings. I mean I don't agree with the first part of that at all.......how is "I hate myself, and everyone would be better off if I was dead' egotistical?

Last edited by Sweetleaf on 28 Feb 2012, 1:20 am, edited 1 time in total.

This way of speaking is totally counterproductive.

You cannot guilt-trip depressed people into not being depressed. Let me repeat, you cannot guilt-trip depressed people into not being depressed. It's like trying to put out a fire by throwing petrol on it. Guilt is a natural ally of depression. Guilt is the emotion that makes people kill themselves.

What depressed and suicidal people need is radical acceptance. They need people to tell them that they deserve a good life, not that they have a moral duty to not kill themselves.

"What is called a reason for living is also an excellent reason for dying.” ― Albert Camus

This is about killing yourself, not about being depressed.

Yeah I gathered that and disagreed with some of what was said, I struggle with feeling suicidal quite often, though I only attempted once I still get close to it. From my perspective I don't see where the sociopathy, egotistical, evil and selfishness comes in. That sort of guilt trip talk tends to make me feel worse......and I would not be surprised if it made other people feel worse to.

But that's just my opinion. If the OP wants to help encourage suicidal people not to kill themselves its important they know how what they say can effect people and the effective ways of approaching the issue of suicide as well as which methods can make things worse.

For me, at least, that kind of talk shuts me up, and reading about it makes me think that the next time I'm thinking about that I might as well keep it to myself.

If I keep it to myself 100% of the time that just gives it all time to build up, making it even more difficult for me not to act on the suicidal urges. but everyone's different.

- First of all the most selfish act someone can partake in is bringing a child in to the world, the child did not ask for it, they are just thrust in to a world that they had no say as to whether they wanted to be in it or not. I see the act of that person wanting to then leave this world (early) as balancing the initial selfish act.
- Secondly it is far from egotistical. I see it as an act of ultimate altruism, the person in question wants to remove themselves from the world because they do not fit in to it (I am not trying to oversimplify complicated issues here). They feel like the world would be a better place without them in it, they want to improve the world they feel they do not belong in by removing themselves from it.
- Thirdly it's not about hating yourself. Suicidal feelings can be extremely complex and you are oversimplifying it. People who commit suicide do not necessarily hate themselves, they just can not bear the feelings they are experiencing and can not see an end in sight.
- Lastly you cannot just tell someone who is suicidal to feel better (as mentioned by Declension), that's' like me saying to someone with AS, "just don't have AS any more".

I am definitely not trying to condone suicide here, I just get irked when people who have never been in the situation try and oversimplify it and make the people who have gone through it seem like egotistical and emotionally unbalanced malcontent's. From someone who has tried to kill himself several times (several years back), I know what I am talking about. The suicidal feelings people experience are perfectly valid and the only way they can pull through is if they find a solution that is right for them. For me, my suicidal feelings helped turn my life around. It wasn't until my life completely fell apart that I was enable to rebuild it in to something better, I had to hit the bottom of the barrel before I could see how deep it was, after that I was able to climb out and start a new life. If anyone is experiencing these feeling of suicide then do not feel guilty, Doctors and Psychiatrists can help greatly in this area and are an excellent starting point for someone in this situation. Posts like this, even though I know your intention was good, are not the way to proceed.

Suicide is not sociopathic. The two concepts are unrelated. However, I am not so narcissistic that I believe my absence would cause any emotional trauma to the world.

I'm not suicidal myself, just pointing out the obvious.

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Last edited by nat4200 on 19 Apr 2012, 7:05 am, edited 1 time in total.

Read this instead of arguing about the political correctness of 'my right to commit suicide and don't make me feel bad about it beforehand if I do'

As I have discovered, to my dismay, there are new posts weekly from people who are feeling suicidal on Wrong Planet.

Personally I thought Wrong Planet was about how to LIVE your life on the spectrum, not how to die. At this point I would like to believe that people who post suicide posts are venting and looking for a place to be heard and get support and reasons as to why they should not choose suicide. I must be feeling ornery today because actually I wasn't going to bother putting my two cents in anymore for the suicide posters. But since the OP who started the thread was posting don't do it, well read the article below.

This article posted below is a what to do, for anyone close to you who is feeling suicidal.

When You Fear Someone May Take Their Life

Most suicidal individuals give some warning of their intentions. The most effective way to prevent a friend or loved one from taking his or her life is to recognize the factors that put people at risk for suicide, take warning signs seriously and know how to respond.
Know the Facts

PSYCHIATRIC DISORDERS

More than 90 percent of people who kill themselves are suffering from one or more psychiatric disorders, in particular:

Major depression (especially when combined with alcohol and/or drug abuse)
Bipolar depression
Alcohol abuse and dependence
Drug abuse and dependence
Schizophrenia
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)
Eating disorders
Personality disorders

Depression and the other mental disorders that may lead to suicide are -- in most cases -- both recognizable and treatable. Remember, depression can be lethal.

The core symptoms of major depression are a "down" or depressed mood most of the day or a loss of interest or pleasure in activities that were previously enjoyed for at least two weeks, as well as:

Changes in sleeping patterns
Change in appetite or weight
Intense anxiety, agitation, restlessness or being slowed down
Fatigue or loss of energy
Decreased concentration, indecisiveness or poorer memory
Feelings of hopelessness, worthlessness, self-reproach or excessive or inappropriate guilt
Recurrent thoughts of death or suicide

PAST SUICIDE ATTEMPTS

Between 25 and 50 percent of people who kill themselves had previously attempted suicide. Those who have made suicide attempts are at higher risk for actually taking their own lives.

Availability of means

In the presence of depression and other risk factors, ready access to guns and other weapons, medications or other methods of self-harm increases suicide risk.

Recognize the Imminent Dangers

The signs that most directly warn of suicide include:

Threatening to hurt or kill oneself
Looking for ways to kill oneself (weapons, pills or other means)
Talking or writing about death, dying or suicide
Has made plans or preparations for a potentially serious attempt

Other warning signs include expressions or other indications of certain intense feelings in addition to depression, in particular:

Insomnia
Intense anxiety, usually exhibited as psychic
pain or internal tension, as well as panic attacks
Feeling desperate or trapped -- like there's no way out
Feeling hopeless
Feeling there's no reason or purpose to live
Rage or anger

Certain behaviors can also serve as warning signs, particularly when they are not characteristic of the person's normal behavior. These include:

Acting reckless or engaging in risky activities
Engaging in violent or self-destructive behavior
Increasing alcohol or drug use
Withdrawing from friends or family

Take it Seriously

Fifty to 75 percent of all suicides give some warning of their intentions to a friend or family member.
Imminent signs must be taken seriously.

Be Willing to Listen

Start by telling the person you are concerned and give him/her examples.
If he/she is depressed, don't be afraid to ask whether he/she is considering suicide, or if he/she has a particular plan or method in mind.
Ask if they have a therapist and are taking medication.
Do not attempt to argue someone out of suicide. Rather, let the person know you care, that he/she is not alone, that suicidal feelings are temporary and that depression can be treated. Avoid the temptation to say, "You have so much to live for," or "Your suicide will hurt your family."

Seek Professional Help

Be actively involved in encouraging the person to see a physician or mental health professional immediately.
Individuals contemplating suicide often don't believe they can be helped, so you may have to do more.
Help the person find a knowledgeable mental health professional or a reputable treatment facility, and take them to the treatment.

In an Acute Crisis

If a friend or loved one is threatening, talking about or making plans for suicide, these are signs of an acute crisis.
Do not leave the person alone.
Remove from the vicinity any firearms, drugs or sharp objects that could be used for suicide.
Take the person to an emergency room or walk-in clinic at a psychiatric hospital.
If a psychiatric facility is unavailable, go to your nearest hospital or clinic.
If the above options are unavailable, call 911 or the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-TALK (8255).

Follow-up on Treatment

Suicidal individuals are often hesitant to seek help and may need your continuing support to pursue treatment after an initial contact.
If medication is prescribed, make sure your friend or loved one is taking it exactly as prescribed. Be aware of possible side effects and be sure to notify the physician if the person seems to be getting worse. Usually, alternative medications can be prescribed.
Frequently the first medication doesn't work. It takes time and persistence to find the right medication(s) and therapist for the individual person.

afsp,org

Well that is not a bad article, but not everyone really shows warning signs...I know I tried to act like everything was going good before I attempted so people would not suspect I was suicidal.

So sometimes the warning signs can be hard to spot, I would say if someone starts acting happier than usual that could also be a sign though it really depends.

if i committed suicide, i would make it look like murder so as people that loved me would not be sad.

either i would bludgeon myself to death with a blunt object, or i would shoot myself in a drive by shooting.

I think it's selfish to expect another person to quietly endure a lifetime of pain and suffering, just to spare you the unpleasantness of having to cope with their death.

That being said, I also am strongly against suicide, because I believe we are put on this planet to learn, and grow, and experience life, and become stronger, and wiser, and better people... And suicide denies ourselves that opportunity. I think we are meant to overcome challenges, not give up on them.

I don't think suicide is evil, but I do think suicide is selfish in a sense.

Selfish isn't always a bad thing, but I don't agree with suicide either.

I mean ask yourself this question.. Would you want a loved one to get shot or stabbed to death? Wouldn't that hurt you pretty deeply?

Now imagine that they themselves did it.. are you going to say it hurts less because they did it to themselves? No, you're just going to wonder what you could've done to help or how it could've been prevented.

My problem with the idea.. is most people who commit suicide, do not look at the entire picture. Thats what depression does to a person in the first place. It does hurt the people who care about you, but I will say I don't know how selfish that is.

A cousin and I talked about that a few years back and I kinda agreed at the time, but a truly depressed person would be in such pain and misery that I don't know if a thought like your death hurting or even mattering to loved ones would occur in the first place.