What I can't stand about NTs

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If anyone has read my previous messages on this board, being NT is my goal and for anyone
will lead to being more happy in life.

However, it amazes me how NTs portray us to be creepy, when NTs can be some of the biggest creeps around.
In their world it is better to make an annoying, rude, or meaningless comment rather than say nothing.

It boggles my mind that they think we are the creeps.

If you care what they think then you're living in their world, not yours.

I like the NT world. It is the world I desire to live in.

It is their judgement of us that drives me nuts.

Can you see how those might be connected?

Are you saying that if I want to live in an NT world, judging is part of it?

I don't agree. I never said their world is perfect.

I'm saying if you act like a dog you'll get treated like one.

I am not sure how I understand how that expression applies to my gripe.

Are you saying that people with AS deserve to be treated differently?

My point is that they should examine their own behavior.

Last edited by KevinLA on 06 Apr 2012, 1:00 am, edited 1 time in total.

Well, I think people in both groups can be creeps, though I can't say I have had trouble with AS creeps - maybe with my own behaviour.

A little while ago, WerewolfPoet said in a thread that it was not so much being autistic in a predominantly 'NT' world that's the problem; it's society itself that's screwed up.

People anywhere from all corners of society in the world will judge; NTs can be judgmental, autistics can be equally judgmental. Christians judge, Muslims judge, Jews judge, atheists judge- black, white, yellow, male, female, gay, straight, rich, poor.

Now I understand what you are saying in this specific instance. I, too, have experienced that being silent, preferring to keep to myself, not talking too much, sitting in the corner during lunch breaks at work (or anywhere), causes a lot of people to consider me a bit weird, and yes, sometimes 'creepy'. But I also find that this is not necessarily from a 'let's-pick-on-the-autist' motivation.
On my previous job, I started out as I always do; being silent, not mingling with my colleagues- not necessarily because I didn't want to, but because I had trouble connecting and finding topics of conversation I could follow, or finding common ground. But one colleague saw that I was kind of isolated in the lunch breaks, and she invited me to sit with her. And as of that moment, I managed to mingle a bit better with my other colleagues, through her. She was probably one of the most extraverted, socially skilled people walking the face of the planet, the opposite of autistic- yet, my autistic ways didn't put her off by the slightest. So I was very happy and grateful that she was one of the few among so many people in general, who looked beyond the veil of 'weirdness' about my preference to be silent and sit alone, and not talk like most people and talk about different subjects than most, and my awkwardness in socialising, etc. etc. So people like her are out there, and I think it's worth it to continue on your way because you may just find non-autistic people who will take no issue at you not saying much, but will instead be interested in getting to know you regardless.

All that having been said, quite a few people are creeped out by it to some extent or another and probably always will. So I get where you're coming from, and I continue to experience the same, everytime I end up in a new social situation, or meet a new group of people. Just remember that this is not an exclusively 'NT' world, it is for everyone.

It's funny you should say that, fraac. A little while ago, I was introduced to a new work environment in which I have to deal with team leaders who like to give orders in a very authoritarian way; and I've been wanting to say 'If you're going to treat me like a dog, I will bark back; treat me badly, and I might even bite'.

Not sure what you mean by being NT, but if it means fundamentally changing who you are, rather than gaining a few skills to help you connect to people, that sounds like a shame to me. But good luck with whatever makes you happy anyway.
There is so much division. I think people can see people through diagnosis coloured glasses, I prefer rose coloured glasses. They see groups not just as a bunch of humans, some kind, some unkind, but label them as NTs. Thats the same as NTs prejudices towards autistics.

In any group of humans, whether autistic or non-autistic, there are quiet people, seemingly quiet people, loud people, creeps, seemingly creepy people, agressive people, scary people, mavericks, different types of intelligences....seemingly......This forum is populated with them all, in the same way all life is.

Many autistic traits are very positive and attractive. Most negative traits people identify as NT traits, simply aren't true for my world. An individual is an a***hole not because they are autistic or NT, but because they are an a***hole. I know some real selfish, agressive, unkind a***holes at work, who I suspect to be autistic. Yet I am wonderfully, beautiful close FOREVER to another autistic, and deeply deeply fond of several men who are on different places on the spectrum. Humans are humans. I find more variance in traits I like/dont like within groups of NTs and within autistics.

Avoid the dominant culture, and seek out cultures where the peak of the bell curve is closer to your interests, and then you dont have to become NT.

When Moses went up Mt. Sinai in the desert and met God, he asked God 'What is thy name'. To which God repiied 'I am that I am'.

"I am that I am, an Aspie." Although mimicing NT behavior is necessary to hold down a job. I force myself to do all kinds of things at work that I don't do otherwise. I force myself to make eye contact when speaking to someone- makes me very uncomfotable, but apparently this behavior is necessary for NT's to build trust. I mimic there fashions, even though I could care less what I was wearing.

I mimic their behaviours and actions to announcements. The company I work for has set a 15% sales growth target for the next year, all the NT's are on board with this; even though I think to myself in my head- "In this economy, are you guys all crazy, we'll be lucky if we don't experience sales declines"- but I never utter a word to that extent. Just nod and copy their behavior.

A few things I still have problems with. I've never mastered the art of 'polite interuption', often when people are arguing about something I'll pipe in with information I think is relevant that would solve the problem. Then I get stares and I'm shrugged off for interrupting, or being rude. (Still working on that one). The company I work for often and regularly fires workers not peforming at 110% without any explanation. Whenever someone I know is fired without explanation, especially if it was someone I've worked with or liked, I usually ask for some sort of an explanation. NT's give me strange looks then say something like 'all I can tell you is that they are no longer employed with our company'. As if telling me the actual cause would retroactively affect their decision to fire them? (Still no clue why they do this??).

Work very hard, copy the behaviors of others around me, ignore 'strange' NT behavior, at least until I can fiqure it our and copy it. Take my paycheque and be thankful I have a job. Not the best of all possible worlds, but still doable.

I like my world, but I feel like I am not accepted at all outside of it. but saying I am the only one in it, I cannot complain much.

I don't want to be a NT, they confuse me, but I feel like I want to erase all my memories and start anew, this feeling will be different come tomorrow.

Fainting and reawakening in Australia somewhere would not help me at all in this world.

What I hate about NTs is the lying, sarcasm, and oh-so-fun "teasing" they like to do so much. I just had a bit of a meltdown (too many different f*****g stressors. I really need to cut something out), and a large part of it was due to a comment made by a friend of my boyfriend. What he said hurt and I'll never forget it, but of course he claims (as NTs always do) that he was "just kidding" and "not being serious". What's the f*****g point, then? (((

I find the constant "creep" label NTs apply on me annoying as well.

I try to not hate NTs as a whole as that's just irrational as I don't even know every single NT, it sucks as you try and be cool with everyone but people still hate you.

I don't find NTs, Aspies or anybody to be creeps, as people don't bother me like that. I never get creeped out by people, I don't think its possible for me to feel that emotion lol.

Sounds like my family and their friends. They call everyone else names and insult everyone and then they are like "it was a joke," yeah, no. that was not a joke! That was a pure insult because you have a low self esteem!

It's like the whole "no offense" thing.

"your a idiot, no offense" it just does not work! because I am offended!

darn NT's...