Even on wp I embarrass myself, it's getting annoying

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Every post, thread and or comment I make on most websites get me into fights, trouble etc even though I never intend to offend anybody. In fact I get so excited after making threads for people to respond, not only wp but on other websites, only for it to either cause a fight, receive negative comments, cause a fight or offend some group unintentionally. with the exception of the television forum where only a few people respond to my naruto threads. I spent so much time on ppr just vainly trying to change people's misconceptions, and I seem to be taken out of context, misquoted and unintentionally embarrass myself, not only here, but on other websites. I don't know why, no matter how hard I try not to offend somebody I always do. It pisses me off

Am a PPR regular.

Went to your profile to click that thing that says "Find all posts by this person" to get examples of your posts- and refresh my memory as to you are.

Oh yeah!

you're that guy who defends Islam.

Oh Yeah... you DO get alot of vitriol thrown at you!

Okay let me explain things to you. The fact that you attract angry guys trying to lynch you all of the time has nothing to do with you, everything to do with the people trying to lynch you and their own problems.

There are several bigoted perpetually angry axe grinders who inhabit the PPR here. And formost among their bigotries are Islamophobia.

So if you say something nice about Islam in the PPR its like lighting up a cigarette in a room full of gasoline fumes- you gotta expect a conflagration.


Can't speak for your presence on other parts of the Internet ( maybe you are socially inept on other subjects or not- couldnt help you on that). But I am a regular on PPR and have seen you interact with the playground bullies there. So I can testify about that. And in that instance the acid thrown out you is not because of you.

Tbh it would be better to insult me than Islam. However, I'm not talking about ppr. I'm referring to in general I've made many threads in other websites where I embarrass myself and. Or unintentionally offend others

Islamophobia doesn't exist. (Anti-Muslim attacks and racist attacks - the two are not the same - do exist, but these are not especially common compared to other attacks. I think it's appalling and disgusting that they do exist, but they are not a particularly pressing kind of phobia.)

There's nothing bigoted about disliking or fearing an ideology that wants to: enslave you, that endorses acts of violence against unbelievers, that considers you inferior, that tells its followers not to make friends with you, that considers it an Islamic duty to kill Jews, that it is Islamic to take conquered women as sex slaves, that endorses the forced marriage (and later rape) of children, that supports wife-beating and female subjugation and that openly considers women inferior, and that calls for the execution of gay people under Sharia. There is no 'phobia' involved in disliking or fearing an ideology like that. We can see how real our 'phobia' is every single day of the week, naturalplastic, with all due respect.

However, that does not mean that I think that Muslims should be mistreated in any way and as much as I get irritated with salad, he's not really to blame. The vast majority of Muslims never chose their religion - it was chosen for them, and in many respects I have a lot of sympathy for them. I don't think that salad is a bad person, not at all. I just think he's working from a book and that he badly needs to take a look away from his books and look at how the world works with the blinkers off. I have every hope in salad, that once he matures, that he will find the contradictions in Islam and that he will realise that Muslims that claim any kind of civilisation at all must moderate their beliefs because otherwise they will end up in prison.

salad: I say this to you honestly. You aren't embarrassing yourself. You're just sharing your opinion (OK, it comes verbatim from a very old religious book, but people have found worse places to get their opinions from - like copies of the Daily Sport, or The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, although I must admit I am struggling a bit here to give other examples being atheist). You're not a bad person, and you're not being ridiculous or anything else.

If you like, I can give you a link to a very special forum full of some extremely well-educated people, who are extremely well-informed on Islam. These are people that have well-known British Islamic scholars refuse to go near them because these are people that know Islam inside out. If you want to tell me where you can find them, let me know. But, be careful: they make mincemeat out of Islamic apologists.

Don't take any of this as an insult. It isn't meant as one. I am doing my best to try to empathise with you, and I have a fair bit of sympathy with you. In fact, I have more sympathy with you than the left (especially far-left) defenders of it. Those people are a**holes, and should know better.

I didnt have Tequila in mind when I was talking about bigoted axe grinders.

And forget I said that anyway.

The point is that Islam is such a hot button emotional subject that it cannot be discussed rationally on the PPR (as Teguila's post here demonstrates).

You only get heat- and its impossible to get light.

So if you're less than a 100 percent hostile to Islam- dont talk about it on the PPR.
Find some other venue.

And now some more hot headed offended people from the PPR will appear in ...3...2....1...seconds.

(over my head)

me too

LOL I'm still stuck on PPR .. ?

"PP&R" is-
Politics
Philosophy
&
Religion
a very contentious subforum on wrong planet. it is akin to scorpions in a bottle.

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Last edited by salad on 26 Feb 2013, 11:22 am, edited 1 time in total.

Come on now, do you really think he believes in all that? Has he told you himself? When I was a Christian I didn't believe in 90% of what the bible said. And anyway, this is the Haven. This isn't the place for bashing other people's religions. You're only making him feel worse.

I wonder, is it all social situations that you feel this happens in, or mainly on internet forums? Because the way I see it, the nature of forums and the opinionating that happens on them is for the most part negative to someone unsure of themselves or of their social skills.

Person A says something.
Person B says something else.
Person C disagrees with one of the above, and they disagree back.

That's NOT people relating to each other. It's people arguing with each other.

I used to let forums get to me. I still do sometimes, when the opinions flare up. Even if everyone is following the forum rules and trying to be nice, it's not that agreeable a form of interacting, at least not to me. It can be positive, when it's not about opinions so much but more of a discussion where people don't take a position and form sides, and so forth.

Discussion means one is open to considering the opinions of others, or the thoughts or questions or suppositions of others, and there's back and forth that is more flexible and understanding takes place. If you're not in discussion like that, you're likely to get some negative feelings about the forums, and it's easy to feel hurt or angry or self-denigrating in some way, especially Aspies who feel we're not quite up to snuff socially to begin with.

PPR is the worst! Not just here but anywhere, when the topics are inflammatory to begin with, it's like walking a razor's edge to keep the interaction peaceful and especially for everyone to feel good about it.

So don't beat yourself up about it so much. You're probably not embarrassed for accurate reasons.

But if you get emotional about what goes on in a forum it is easy to use less precision in your words, so that might be part of the problem, and can get one into deeper quagmires in arguments. It's important, when arguing with others who are knowledgeable about a topic (and even if they aren't) to check your facts, make sure you know what you're talking about, to choose your words carefully, and to not let emotions guide the interaction. Otherwise you're likely to embarrass yourself.

It can feel like a minefield to someone who is at all sensitive. Which is why I don't get into that many political or religious threads anymore myself.

Not sure where you are from but might some friction be due be from cultural differences ?

Religion is definately not a good subject to bring up, or react to, if you are looking to have civil, social conversations. I have a religion, and in most situations find it best to just never mention or discuss it in any way publically. I generally only talk about it with co-religionists. If someone asks me about it, I usually will briefly answer, but only with people who seem genuine. There are lots on forums & in life who just want to lay a trap for you, and then rant. I think that type has personal problems and its really the last thing I am interested in hearing about.