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21 Mar 2013, 5:29 pm

Do any of you guys ever feel like no one else cares about your special interest. I've felt really alone lately... I know all these great things about science and math and no one else seems to know about them, or care. I'm well aware that there are many on this site who like things like that but I don't know anyone IRL, so I can't have a conversation back-and-forth with someone about, say, the fate of string theory. Does anyone have any advice on how to deal with this?


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21 Mar 2013, 5:56 pm

Well, I learned to avoid talking about my special interests altogether, unless someone else brought the subject up, or it's with a friend who shares the same interest as me. But I still keep it pretty minimal. But that's what I had to so to stop annoying the s*** out of people.

So, what I'm saying is, if people aren't interested, they aren't interested. If you don't find someone with the same interests as you, then maybe you could start a pen pal sort of thing with someone on this forum? Just a thought.



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21 Mar 2013, 6:40 pm

I had this problem for a long time as well. Personally I recommend either finding (or starting!) an interest group either at your place of education, or in your local area.

I didn't find anyone to talk to about my special interest (not that it stopped me) until I went to University to study it and, even now there are some on my course who aren't that interested. If it's something you're *really* interested in depending on your location (US or UK) you could consider community college class in it, or an Open Uni option in it.



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21 Mar 2013, 6:56 pm

Even though my interests are not very uncommon (drawing, mythology and fantasy gengre stuff) I seldom get to discuss it in detail before people think I am treating them like they are dumb getting bored etc. I find silent enjoyment is less painful.



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21 Mar 2013, 9:05 pm

I keep my computing special interest to myself and only come out with it when its needed like helping in a job, or attempting to teach someone who wants to know. Heh... I do often overwhelm NT's with vast knowledge-banks :D


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22 Mar 2013, 12:26 am

I don't know anyone in my personal life that cares about my special interest either. I find I really have to restrain myself not to spam the forums about it sometimes lol, any time I see a topic remotely related to it I can't help but jump in! I personally think that online is a great way to connect with people on stuff like that, since outside of the internet it can be pretty difficult to find many people whose interests involve more than football and reality TV.



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22 Mar 2013, 1:32 am

I understand this feeling very well.



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22 Mar 2013, 3:04 pm

Thanks for all the advice, guys :D . The Internet: the best gift mankind has ever received!! ! :hail:
I think, if not for the internet, I'd be dead by now.


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23 Mar 2013, 11:35 pm

If you're really 13, I doubt you know anything about String Theory.. lol :?
But anyway, I have the same problem.
My interests vary from Math and Science to Psychology and Philosophy, but there's still not many people around to talk to on a level that's "up to speed".



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24 Mar 2013, 7:24 am

uwmonkdm wrote:
If you're really 13, I doubt you know anything about String Theory.. lol :?
But anyway, I have the same problem.


It's true that I don't know very much (and nothing of the mathematics or actual "application" of string theory) due to the fact that I haven't yet learned calculus and some other math (but soon!). I do kind of know some of the conceptal ideas, however.

uwmonkdm wrote:
My interests vary from Math and Science to Psychology and Philosophy, but there's still not many people around to talk to on a level that's "up to speed".


Exactly! A couple of months ago, I overheard some kids talking and discovered that they didn't know where the hippocampus is in the human body, what a quark is, or what E=mc^2 (which is technically incorrect) means. And it wasn't just that he didn't know--he was really full of himself and thought that they were rather hard, only a genius would know. Now, maybe not everyone knows those things, but I'm not a genius and I do.


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24 Mar 2013, 12:28 pm

physicsnut42 wrote:
uwmonkdm wrote:
If you're really 13, I doubt you know anything about String Theory.. lol :?
But anyway, I have the same problem.


It's true that I don't know very much (and nothing of the mathematics or actual "application" of string theory) due to the fact that I haven't yet learned calculus and some other math (but soon!). I do kind of know some of the conceptal ideas, however.

uwmonkdm wrote:
My interests vary from Math and Science to Psychology and Philosophy, but there's still not many people around to talk to on a level that's "up to speed".


Exactly! A couple of months ago, I overheard some kids talking and discovered that they didn't know where the hippocampus is in the human body, what a quark is, or what E=mc^2 (which is technically incorrect) means. And it wasn't just that he didn't know--he was really full of himself and thought that they were rather hard, only a genius would know. Now, maybe not everyone knows those things, but I'm not a genius and I do.


Suggestion, if you want to learn those things, but don't currently, why not go to some Math or Physics forums.. especially if they are connected to any websites where you can actually learn to do those maths and then you can talk to LOADS of people about them.. It may not be the same as doing it in real life.. but I've found having been in college.. that the mathematics professors tend to be the most quiet and reserved people on the entire campus...



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24 Mar 2013, 1:15 pm

Thanks for the suggestion--as a matter of fact I'm already doing that to some extent. I'm learning some calculus from khan academy.


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24 Mar 2013, 1:25 pm

I don't talk about mine. People think I'm odd enough as it is, without me going on about genetics in great detail.

On the other hand, I can't seem to talk about what was on TV the other night because it was a load of rubbish and I didn't watch it!



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24 Mar 2013, 2:28 pm

physicsnut42 wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion--as a matter of fact I'm already doing that to some extent. I'm learning some calculus from khan academy.


Yup, I enjoy Khan Academy even though I'm horrible at math. He's very confident in his abilities and presentation in the videos.. I keep hoping if I watch them enough one day I'll get it!

But you may try Purplemath.com which I think has a forum

I'm sure there are science and math forums around on the internet. Probably some big ones too.



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24 Mar 2013, 3:14 pm

Khan academy won't teach you enough mathematics for String Theory, nor any Physics that has been developed since Einstein's relativity.

As for noticing that other people think you have to be a genius to understand 'such and such', this is the new cultural paradigm. We entertain people with absolutely retarding programming through the television and media, and make 'experts' or 'scientists' seem like super-human geniuses.
When in reality, most so-called 'experts' you hear about on the news are complete idiots. The only intelligent thing they did was learn what came before them and used the tools they were trained to use. I think monkeys can use a screwdriver.

Studies show that <such and such> makes you overweight and more likely to die? No s**t, thanks captain obvious. That first year statistics class must have been hard.

Anyway, if you're going to learn anything worthwhile, you need to study things that the school doesn't teach you. Schools are not designed to cater to smart kids, curious kids: Schools are designed to manufacture workers.
Khan academy is only a way of speeding up the curriculum, you're not learning anything different. Go out of your comfort zone, read some philosophy. Quantum Physics and beyond are extremely philosophically loaded.
Here's a pretty good documentary on the philosophies and implications of the "new physics" I found recently: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/beyond-reason/

So, basically what I'm saying is that your education is in your hands. Even in University, the classes are designed the same way as high school: Student #58472 and Student #13844 must learn the same things, so they can do job #587.
The best part about a university is the library, and the professors who actually want to teach people (outside of the classroom).

Good luck kid. You sound like me when I was younger. I would personally mentor you if you lived nearby heh :lol:

Edit:
When you're a little further along, the book "Shape of Inner Space" is a great introduction to the mathematics of String Theory (specifically Calabi-Yau manifolds - the 7 dimensional collapsible manifold which adds the extra dimensions to the theory) which doesn't get *too* technically complicated.
http://www.shapeofinnerspace.com/

Brian Greene's work is also for the laymen audience, I haven't read any of it but I've heard decent things. http://www.briangreene.org/?page_id=7

There are also many things to consider on a philosophical level. Many geniuses of the past trained their minds using Vedanta (Huxley, Tesla, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Schrodinger, President Adams etc.), and I've found many similar philosophies to be useful. I've already written an entire post about it here;
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5293967.html#5293967



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24 Mar 2013, 4:13 pm

uwmonkdm wrote:
Khan academy won't teach you enough mathematics for String Theory, nor any Physics that has been developed since Einstein's relativity.

As for noticing that other people think you have to be a genius to understand 'such and such', this is the new cultural paradigm. We entertain people with absolutely retarding programming through the television and media, and make 'experts' or 'scientists' seem like super-human geniuses.
When in reality, most so-called 'experts' you hear about on the news are complete idiots. The only intelligent thing they did was learn what came before them and used the tools they were trained to use. I think monkeys can use a screwdriver.

Studies show that <such and such> makes you overweight and more likely to die? No sh**, thanks captain obvious. That first year statistics class must have been hard.

Anyway, if you're going to learn anything worthwhile, you need to study things that the school doesn't teach you. Schools are not designed to cater to smart kids, curious kids: Schools are designed to manufacture workers.
Khan academy is only a way of speeding up the curriculum, you're not learning anything different. Go out of your comfort zone, read some philosophy. Quantum Physics and beyond are extremely philosophically loaded.
Here's a pretty good documentary on the philosophies and implications of the "new physics" I found recently: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/beyond-reason/

So, basically what I'm saying is that your education is in your hands. Even in University, the classes are designed the same way as high school: Student #58472 and Student #13844 must learn the same things, so they can do job #587.
The best part about a university is the library, and the professors who actually want to teach people (outside of the classroom).

Good luck kid. You sound like me when I was younger. I would personally mentor you if you lived nearby heh :lol:

Edit:
When you're a little further along, the book "Shape of Inner Space" is a great introduction to the mathematics of String Theory (specifically Calabi-Yau manifolds - the 7 dimensional collapsible manifold which adds the extra dimensions to the theory) which doesn't get *too* technically complicated.
http://www.shapeofinnerspace.com/

Brian Greene's work is also for the laymen audience, I haven't read any of it but I've heard decent things. http://www.briangreene.org/?page_id=7

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5293967.html#5293967


Thanks, uwmonkdm! I already study quite a bit on my own; I read Greene's The Elegant Universe, which is incidentally where I learned everything I know about string theory. I agree that khan academy isn't really just like regular school; the only reason I use it is that I don't know where else I can learn calculus (I tried a pdf version of Calculus for the Practical Man, which I've heard is very clear and easy to understand, and the math itself was, but the book is a little dated so the way the guy talks is confusing to me). I actually have a book on the philosophy of quantum mechanics at home, I just haven't gotten around to reading it (again because the language is tricky and dated--readable, and not technical at all, but not as easy as some other books, so less fun to read). I also have one book on plain old philosophy (a sort of mini-encyclopedia on the subject) but towards the end it got into religion and things like that, so I became disinterested. However it's always interested me a great deal, and I'll probably go back to it at some point.

And thank god I'm not crazy, and the fact that the kids at my school think I'm a super-genius isn't a local phenomenon. Sometimes we're doing a writing assignment (something I'm not very good at, anyway), and everyone's reading over everyone else's work, and either they're all clamoring for me to look over their work, or they don't want to, because they think I'll boost they're grade or criticize them. It's gotten to the point where whenever they say I'm smart, I have to reply that I'm really not the smart in the wider scheme of things; in fact, I'm actually a bit of an idiot, in a way (they don't know I have AS). Some of them actually seem to have gotten it through there heads that I don't like being called smart (though from what I've seen their opinions have not changed a bit).


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