ways to survive suicidal thoughts?

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24 Nov 2013, 12:56 pm

What are some ways to survive suicidal thoughts? There's no way for me to sit down with someone and talk it out, my coping skills and distractions aren't working, I find the hospital to be more harmful than helpful, and it's getting worse.

I'm at a loss at what to do. This has been going on for years and years, never stopping but only letting up for moments at a time.



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24 Nov 2013, 1:31 pm

I keep busy. Just doing stuff keeps my mind off the act. Sometimes I play in the Games section of WP. Maybe I'll watch a movie or go for a walk. Anything, I guess, to keep my mind occupied.



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24 Nov 2013, 2:28 pm

I assess the tangled cord of emotional lights and try to decipher what is making me feel so distressed. Sometimes my intense depression is simply a misunderstanding... looking at an event in the wrong intensity because perception of the event is distorted in magnitude. In revaluation sometimes the problem when seen in it's proper scale is much more bearable... sometimes detangling the mess inside me is the real problem and has very little to do with the perceived "bad" troubles I focus on as the initial culprit.

If that doesn't work, I'll occasionally pull a combative tactic. If I'm uncertain I can actually take action on the deathly thoughts, I confront that truth. Not in a berating manner, but simply recognize that if I'm not willing to follow through with the thought then, it's not worth my time burning myself for no reason. For me, almost every time I seriously have thought to step off the edge, there's always a tug against ending myself. It's hard to explain, but I guess it's a lot like feeling like I'm not finished with business, or like I left the stove on while out, or like I maybe forgot to lock my front door while out on a walk... something tugs me to go check and make sure those problems are tended to. The cautious tugging feeling tells me I'm truly not ready to go despite my miseries and the responsible thing to do is to stay until I'm sure I've got nothing to give or tend to. This only works when I'm able to question myself.

Also, I try to recognize my human frailties. The mood is a very fragile thing... and can be easily tilted by even slight discomforts like lack of food or rest... too much sensory input, etc. I try and tend to all of those things as best I can, and tell myself, "Once you have a clear head... if you feel the exact same way then go ahead.", the thing is, I know I've never felt the same way the next day, so it's a hollow gesture to myself. I also know when I'm comfortably fed, cared to, and rested, that I'm rather content and not so unbearably off.

Another thing I've used successfully have been to recognize that I've been around 26 years and most of them have been hell, so what's walking another 50 or so if I may run into better times or have positive impact on the lives of others?

Or I tell myself I'm an organ donor, and that if I kill myself, it would be discreetly because I'm not keen on the idea of being saved during the act, and my body would be too decayed to help someone who might need one of my vitals at some time in the weave of whatever time has in store for another who is near and dear to other people in which my organs might save. If I get mowed down by a drunk driver eight years from now and save a young person with some salvageable harvested part of mine, then that hell is worth wading through. I don't have to be happy eight years from now to donate my heart to a dying person who desperately wants to live.

I'm not sure if any of those thoughts would work for you, they're just my collective tactics that have worked to keep me alive over the years.



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24 Nov 2013, 3:06 pm

Right now I'm trying to figure out how to survive without pervasive suicidal thoughts. Who am I if I don't want to constantly obliterate myself?



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24 Nov 2013, 3:09 pm

NCC1701 wrote:
What are some ways to survive suicidal thoughts?

Medication?



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24 Nov 2013, 3:09 pm

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Right now I'm trying to figure out how to survive without pervasive suicidal thoughts. Who am I if I don't want to constantly obliterate myself?


^ this cab be a serious challenge. It's almost like giving up smoking. You just don't know who to be without cigarette in hand. It's not impossible. Sustained repeated action to the contrary is needed. Draw out in detail who you want to be and what are behaviours and thoughts associated with being that person and then fake it until you make it. If nothing else, it will be distracting.



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24 Nov 2013, 4:14 pm

I tried to kill my self last year on my B day. I have been struggling with these issues much like you.

For me .. I go to work .. and keep focused on work. At home I just try to keep mentally busy as much as possible.

I can't lie and say it was easy. I can't say that I don't think about it all the time. But what I did do is take the items that I was going to use to kill myself and removed them from my house.

I wish the best for you. It aint easy



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24 Nov 2013, 5:03 pm

doofy wrote:
NCC1701 wrote:
What are some ways to survive suicidal thoughts?

Medication?


I'm on a couple medications. I've tried many but these are the only two that seem to do even a little bit for me. Usually medication makes me worse.



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24 Nov 2013, 6:47 pm

Ok, let me ask you the old riddle 'Why does the chicken cross the road?'



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24 Nov 2013, 7:07 pm

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Ok, let me ask you the old riddle 'Why does the chicken cross the road?'


Well, there have been numerous answers to that riddle and I'm not sure which one is accepted as being more correct than the others. If you want the most common answer, I believe it would be "to get to the other side." I don't know if by "other side" it means the literal other side of the road or if it means the other side of this life, whatever we face after death.

I'm not sure the point in this, so I'm assuming you're going to tell me.



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24 Nov 2013, 7:19 pm

I don't know. Fight, fight, fight. Personally, I can't stand the thought of me laying on the floor of my parent's house with my brains on the wall, a melancholy song playing, a stupid note, and meanwhile Dick Cheney lights another cigar and has himself a micro-brew...
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24 Nov 2013, 10:34 pm

NCC1701 wrote:
Toy_Soldier wrote:
Ok, let me ask you the old riddle 'Why does the chicken cross the road?'


Well, there have been numerous answers to that riddle and I'm not sure which one is accepted as being more correct than the others. If you want the most common answer, I believe it would be "to get to the other side." I don't know if by "other side" it means the literal other side of the road or if it means the other side of this life, whatever we face after death.

I'm not sure the point in this, so I'm assuming you're going to tell me.


Yes, the standard answer is to 'get to the other side'. But guess what? Thats the wrong answer! I saw chickens crossing the road recently, and it was to get to stuff in the grass on the other side to eat.

So, I have two suggestions for reasons to persevere. 1) Enlightenment. 2) Pizza.



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25 Nov 2013, 10:59 am

Toy_Soldier wrote:
NCC1701 wrote:
Toy_Soldier wrote:
Ok, let me ask you the old riddle 'Why does the chicken cross the road?'


Well, there have been numerous answers to that riddle and I'm not sure which one is accepted as being more correct than the others. If you want the most common answer, I believe it would be "to get to the other side." I don't know if by "other side" it means the literal other side of the road or if it means the other side of this life, whatever we face after death.

I'm not sure the point in this, so I'm assuming you're going to tell me.


Yes, the standard answer is to 'get to the other side'. But guess what? Thats the wrong answer! I saw chickens crossing the road recently, and it was to get to stuff in the grass on the other side to eat.

So, I have two suggestions for reasons to persevere. 1) Enlightenment. 2) Pizza.


:( I'm allergic to almost everything on a basic pizza except the tomato sauce, some of the toppings, and meat if its not chicken. And even then the tomato sauce and meat may have something in it that I'm allergic to depending on how it was made. I love pizza but it makes me sick every time.

My suicidal thoughts returned last night. In response I just started drinking, got a buzz, and started browsing /b/ on my smart phone until I fell asleep.

I just burned out on my gaming hobby over the weekend and I'm about to quit my gaming group as it causes to much stress. I also came to the realization, I'm just not capable of capitalizing off of my craft hobbies. I've been struggling with the idea that I may have been doing hobbies just to get grattitude from others, but that's not tennable anymore now that I'm onto myself.

As to how to survive the suicidal thoughts. when hobbies and distractions fall short, I play the waiting game. If I can just make it one more hour, or make it until it's time to sleep, then I can survive. I don't want to die, but my brain/body tells me I should. It's confusing, and sucks. I usually just lie in bed.


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25 Nov 2013, 2:28 pm

leafplant wrote:
pleasekillme wrote:
Right now I'm trying to figure out how to survive without pervasive suicidal thoughts. Who am I if I don't want to constantly obliterate myself?


^ this cab be a serious challenge. It's almost like giving up smoking. You just don't know who to be without cigarette in hand. It's not impossible. Sustained repeated action to the contrary is needed. Draw out in detail who you want to be and what are behaviours and thoughts associated with being that person and then fake it until you make it. If nothing else, it will be distracting.


^This.

Top advice. You have thought patterns that will run consistently - everybody does. These become habits.

Your first step is to recognise the patterns. Then, you catch the patterns and break them up. Now, you can break them by doing something kinaesthetic (it's more powerful to the body - where the patterns are bizarrely stored) - like clapping your hands, whispering begone!, or imagining the thoughts in you and breathing them out. You might say that's stupid, but on a subconscious level, where your patterns run silently like background programs do on Windows, I assure you this can be very effective.

If you put 100% effort into this, over three months, you will probably feel a whole lot better.



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25 Nov 2013, 4:45 pm

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leafplant wrote:
pleasekillme wrote:
Right now I'm trying to figure out how to survive without pervasive suicidal thoughts. Who am I if I don't want to constantly obliterate myself?


^ this cab be a serious challenge. It's almost like giving up smoking. You just don't know who to be without cigarette in hand. It's not impossible. Sustained repeated action to the contrary is needed. Draw out in detail who you want to be and what are behaviours and thoughts associated with being that person and then fake it until you make it. If nothing else, it will be distracting.


^This.

Top advice. You have thought patterns that will run consistently - everybody does. These become habits.

Your first step is to recognise the patterns. Then, you catch the patterns and break them up. Now, you can break them by doing something kinaesthetic (it's more powerful to the body - where the patterns are bizarrely stored) - like clapping your hands, whispering begone!, or imagining the thoughts in you and breathing them out. You might say that's stupid, but on a subconscious level, where your patterns run silently like background programs do on Windows, I assure you this can be very effective.

If you put 100% effort into this, over three months, you will probably feel a whole lot better.


I really think I'd rather just kill myself.



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25 Nov 2013, 7:27 pm

One very strong argument against suicide should always be the terrible, awful wholly unpredictable impact it has on family, friends and acquaintances, For the rest of their lives -- should they ever recover at all -- they will be tormented by the possibilities they had to spot the forthcoming suicide, and will forever plagued with doubt about what behaviour they might have led to inspire it, and what they might have been able to do to prevent it, even if that just meant a kind word at an appropriate moment,

I don't subscribe to the school of thought that says 'suicide is selfish'.

But I do subscribe to the school of thought that says a suicide touches as many lives as continuing to live does, even though it may not seem that way to the potential suicide.

My own perceptions are coloured by a friend who killed himself when he was 21: He was intelligent, physically attractive, had a good personal nature, and was highly creative. I still feel his loss now, and I still blame myself (among others) for his death. His suicide note read:

"So long world, you're rid of a bastard."

So my advice would be to think of all those personal interactions, which might seem trivial on their own, but which add up to a functional socialising personality -- even with family who you might not believe you get on.

Even though you might not immediately appreciate it, your life touches so many others in so many ways.

No man is an island.

Good luck