People actually think their opinion trumps facts....

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So I saw a picture quote of facebook:

I don't know why the picture wont show up so here's what it says "Everything we hear is an opinion, not fact. Everything we see is perspective, not truth." - Marcus Aurelius

I replied on 2 pages, the one sharing it and the one posting it. My name is Zac Hansen. My posts are appearing at the top, conveneiently, or at least thats how it is for me, maybe it wont be like that for you.
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Sadly, people argued with logic.
If you don't feel like reading everything, this is one of my posts and someone replying to it.

"The sun gives us warmth. Humans cannot breathe underwater. These are 2 examples of facts. Even if someone thought they could breathe underwater, the fact would be, they cannot.

Ridiculous theory debunked." - Me

"Zac have you ever heard of scuba diving? Humans breath under water all the time during scuba diving, and when in submarines under water. " - the reply

I am so f*****g sick of this! It's like people get half way thinking and just stop because they think that's enough.... resulting missing the point entirely.
It doesn't matter what we know or what we think we know, or what we don't know, facts are facts. The Earth was never flat just because people used to think it was. That should be enough to drunk this s**t. Yet... people still argue against it!
And when people argue that something's just their opinion... that doesn't change the facts. How do people NOT get that!?

Another person got stuck on me saying the word "perfectly" ignoring everything else as if it doesnt matter. This happens a lot. People tend to focus on one insignificant detail, as if it's the one thing that really matters in the conversation. Maybe deep down they know they're wrong and are desperately clinging to anything, even if it's not actually helpful to them.

I almost can't believe I actually had these conversations. And it's so annoying when I explain that is, without a doubt, absolutely true and my explanation was just fine, yet people don't get it and choose ignorance! Saying a sentence like that, will often make people think I'm really full of myself and they would probably listen to me even less. But I know I'm right about this because... Facts are facts. It's as simple as that. It doesn't matter what you believe. Facts don't magically change. That's really all I'm' saying and yet people fight against it, as if facts can magically change depending on beliefs... ugh.

I just had to get this off my chest and I'm hoping people here will understand.

I understand.

This was a thread I made a while back that somewhat relates to your frustration: Link

I've written many more individual posts on a very similar basis to the one that you have here.

I feel the same way. Nothing makes me madder than when someone is ignorant and refuses to consider any other point of view. They are so confident in their beliefs. Yet they are dead wrong. I don't understand it either, at least not on an emotional level. I value knowledge above all else. I will accept the facts, even if they are upsetting. Other people don't seem to live by this principle. It's like we are playing by two different sets of rules when arguing. Another thing that makes me mad is when people don't trust the experts. If somebody has expertise in something, I am more likely to trust what that person has to say instead of trusting my own opinions. I don't understand people who discount experts. I don't know if this is an Aspie thing or not. I have always been like this. After writing dozens of research papers for college, I am even more like this. I want to see the person's sources when they make a claim, and their sources better be legitimate.

Perhaps you will make a good scientist, detective, or lawyer since you value logic and truth so much.

a. Opinions are beliefs
b. Belief proves nothing.

: : Opinions prove nothing.

Once you've determined that a person's claims are not fact-based, you can - for the most part - ignore everything they tell you.

I really do think it's an aspie thing.
I don't mind being wrong, it's great because I always learn something when I'm wrong.
Most people hate being wrong and will argue against you no matter what the facts happen to be.

I just want to know the facts, that's all.

I don't understand why I should respect anyone's opinions if they aren't backed up with actual evidence. People rarely respect mine, so I don't see why I should respect theirs. Everyone has an opinion, and obviously not everyone can be right, and on some things there is no way of knowing if there is a definite right. Feeling obliged to respect someone's opinion without any justification seems rather ridiculous to me.

Respecting an opinion is more about repecting that the person holds that opinion and that it is their right to do so, even if they're wrong about it.
You don't actually have to have respect for the opinion itself.

Respecting people isn't about quid pro quo, it's about what's right to do.
It's right to treat people, and by extension their right to hold opinions as they choose, with respect in general whether or not they extend the same treatment to you.

It's not easy, and we all have laspses, but it is right, ethically speaking.

For some people, it has nothing to do with right or wrong, fact or opinion. Some people are just obsessively contentious, like they have an emotional addiction to conflict. On the internet they are known as trolls. There are media sources on tv, radio, internet and via writing, who have learned to exploit this emotional fragility for profit, sometimes for profit and pleasure. The human culture is slowly being devoured by these morally corrupt outlets. I have seen people get called out for this on tv and watched them say they are only providing for what a segment of society wants to see and hear. And there are advertisers who support this industry of exploitation of emotion.

Making people obscenely wealthy for exploiting emotional suffering. And usually the people who get rich in this particular industry perceive themselves as being morally superior.

Welcome to Earth.

Thanks I'll take a look at that later.



I don't mind being wrong either. I'd just rather know the truth, even if it isn't what I want to hear.
As for the experts, it does make sense to trust them, as long as you're aware of what a real epert is and if they're trustworthy. Some dentists will tell you fluoride is good for the teeth, despite the fact that it's bene proven to be poisonous and can really f**k up your teeth, give you what's called dental fluorosis. Say goodbye to a good smile and healthy teeth.



Hey, Redstar! XD Awesome name ya got there.
I don't think any opinion should be respected without at least some sort of evidence, even if it isn't concrete, just as long as it's something to go on. Sometimes maybe just trusting the person could be enough, but there has to be a reasonable limit to that.

Bodyles, anyone can hojld an opinion. I dont see how having an opinion demands respect. Having one doesnt do anything, it's what the opinion is and what you do with it that counts.
People can have whatever opinion they want... however, like others have said here, it means nothing.



Agreed... unfourtunately. Maybe some day things will change. It does kinda seem like things could might be going that way. Slowly... very, very slowly...