deep depression right now

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28 Feb 2007, 9:54 pm

i think i am about to break up with my boyfriend bc i am not happy. i don't think i will be happy without him either bc the one person who makes me happy never wants to date anybody period. i am miserable tonight. and just getting the more miserable as the night goes on. i can't study even though i have an exam tomorrow. i feel sick to my stomach. i'm just sitting here waiting for my boyfriend to get back from class so that we can talk. i told him earlier today that i am not happy and i told him y (bc he doesn't understand me, nor does he like what i like or share my excitement, we don't communicate well, and seems like we talk in different languages). he said he wanted to think about everything before saying anything. but now i can't do anything at all until i know what he is going to say. i'm heartbroken and sad :cry:


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28 Feb 2007, 10:31 pm

Oh, honey, I feel so bad for you!! ! My advice would be to have a cup of tea, go to bed early, take the phone off the hook, and try to get some sleep. Things might seem better (or you might be better able to tolerate them) in the morning. :( You're too upset to be trying to deal with that at present



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28 Feb 2007, 11:02 pm

I have been there....and it is truly a miserable place to be.It is one of the many draw backs to relationships.There really is no easy way to get through this.I have read your related threads,so I have some idea about what you are going through.I can imagine the miserable circular thoughts that are preventing you from concintrating on your exam.Is it possible that you can put the test off for one day?You really dont need the added pressure of this,while dealing with the relationship issues.I was so lucky in school to have understanding teachers(mostly psych,women studies and english,so they tend to be more empathetic).
I think trying to deal with both things is causing some of your over-load?

How did you originally get involved with your current boyfriend?Was it a situation that you just seemed to "fall into" because he was interested and you were lonely....or,some one you thought you liked but got to know better and eventually realized you had nothing in common?Have you tried writing your thoughts down?Sometimes that helps me organize my feelings/thoughts.

I know for me,once I have stopped having that "loving feeling",nothing can fix it.I may miss the person and try and get back together,but my original issues always come back to haunt us....it never works.

I wish you luck....no easy fixs....but I do try and remember that......"This to shall pass"....it always does.


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01 Mar 2007, 4:32 am

>>Oh, honey, I feel so bad for you!! ! My advice would be to have a cup of tea, go to bed early, take the phone off the hook, and try to get some sleep<<

She has an exam tomorrow, bad idea.


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01 Mar 2007, 10:22 am

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>>Oh, honey, I feel so bad for you!! ! My advice would be to have a cup of tea, go to bed early, take the phone off the hook, and try to get some sleep<<

She has an exam tomorrow, bad idea.



On the contrary, in her apparent state nothing she does in an intellectual sphere is likely to "stick" in her brain. And if she doesn't know the material the night before a test, she really doesn't know the material. Much better to go into a testing situation rested and composed than frazzled and sleep-deprived. :wink:



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01 Mar 2007, 3:33 pm

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I have been there....and it is truly a miserable place to be.It is one of the many draw backs to relationships.There really is no easy way to get through this.I have read your related threads,so I have some idea about what you are going through.I can imagine the miserable circular thoughts that are preventing you from concintrating on your exam.Is it possible that you can put the test off for one day?You really dont need the added pressure of this,while dealing with the relationship issues.I was so lucky in school to have understanding teachers(mostly psych,women studies and english,so they tend to be more empathetic).
I think trying to deal with both things is causing some of your over-load?

How did you originally get involved with your current boyfriend?Was it a situation that you just seemed to "fall into" because he was interested and you were lonely....or,some one you thought you liked but got to know better and eventually realized you had nothing in common?Have you tried writing your thoughts down?Sometimes that helps me organize my feelings/thoughts.

I know for me,once I have stopped having that "loving feeling",nothing can fix it.I may miss the person and try and get back together,but my original issues always come back to haunt us....it never works.

I wish you luck....no easy fixs....but I do try and remember that......"This to shall pass"....it always does.


my current boyfriend asked me out through a site called facebook (we went to the same school so we are in the same network, he asked me through a message if i wanted to go bowling sometime bc we were both in a bowling fan group). i'd never had anyone interested in me before, i loved the attention. but after the first date i refused to go out again. he kept pursuing me for about month and i relented to a second date. it wasn't long before we fell in love. after about 2 months we had already decided that we would likely get married. i'd say that some of it was lonliness on both of our parts, but we truly loved each also. he is still very much in love with me. in fact, over christmas he gave me a promise ring, promising to propose to me as soon as he could afford an engagement ring. i think that i still love him, but so many other emotions are clouding my view of my emotions. i'm never really good with knowing how i feel. and the friend situation (me very much wanting to be with my best friend and no chance of that ever happening) is also getting in the way. another thing getting in the way is the reality of marriage. do i want to spend the rest of my life with him? i thought i did. in short, i am very much confused right now.


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01 Mar 2007, 4:03 pm

Excuse, me, I'm a little confused here. You have only known this guy since when? Last fall? If so, I have to say something that's going to sound very harsh. Sorry, but I'm worried about you from what I'm hearing.

You cannot truly know a person well in only six months, unless you are both under some really extreme circumstances (like stuck together on a desert island alone with them). Even if you've grown up with them in the same neighborhood, sometimes they're not who you think they are, but you've a better chance with things if you have done so.

Given that all, I really REALLY ~REALLY~ have to say to you that I firmly believe that someone can't truly love someone else after knowing them for only six months. You can be infatuated with them. You can be in serious lust with them. You may like them a whole bunch. You may think they are the best thing that's ever happened to you. But you are not being truthful if you tell yourself you "love" them if you've only known them a short time, because you can't really know who they are in that short of a time. You "love" the person you think you see in them. You haven't had the time to see how they react, to observe them under stress, to interact in a wide variety of situations with them.

What happens, from what I've observed over the years, is that people rush into marriage because they "click" in a short-term way. They enjoy each other's company. The sex is great. Everything just seems sparkly when they're together. They have "so much in common."

And in about 2.5 to 3 years it wears off and they end up looking at each other like "who the hell are you and why the hell are we married." Sometimes it's all the way to "I hate you. You lied to me. You've ruined my life." Granted, once in a blue moon it'll work. But my observations are that it's rare.

Sometimes the people will stay married because there are then children involved (they have a way of popping out whether you plan them or not). That is a miserable environment for all concerned. There's also an awful lot of single parents out there these days who didn't plan to be single parents. That's a rough life to live, for both the single parent and the kid (s).

By all means explore your relationship with your boyfriend. But if it's love, it'll be love in three years. Wait. At least wait a full year. If it's not really what you think it is, you could be in for a lot of misery if you jump into things too quickly. Do not take any steps that do not feel 100% right and comfortable.

If he won't wait, you have an instant answer to what he really feels.

Good luck, hon.



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01 Mar 2007, 4:43 pm

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Excuse, me, I'm a little confused here. You have only known this guy since when? Last fall? If so, I have to say something that's going to sound very harsh. Sorry, but I'm worried about you from what I'm hearing.



Sorry for the confusion, but i have known him since fall of 2005, not fall of 2006. One year and 4 months to be exact.


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01 Mar 2007, 4:49 pm

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Excuse, me, I'm a little confused here. You have only known this guy since when? Last fall? If so, I have to say something that's going to sound very harsh. Sorry, but I'm worried about you from what I'm hearing.

You cannot truly know a person well in only six months, unless you are both under some really extreme circumstances (like stuck together on a desert island alone with them). Even if you've grown up with them in the same neighborhood, sometimes they're not who you think they are, but you've a better chance with things if you have done so.

Given that all, I really REALLY ~REALLY~ have to say to you that I firmly believe that someone can't truly love someone else after knowing them for only six months. You can be infatuated with them. You can be in serious lust with them. You may like them a whole bunch. You may think they are the best thing that's ever happened to you. But you are not being truthful if you tell yourself you "love" them if you've only known them a short time, because you can't really know who they are in that short of a time. You "love" the person you think you see in them. You haven't had the time to see how they react, to observe them under stress, to interact in a wide variety of situations with them.

What happens, from what I've observed over the years, is that people rush into marriage because they "click" in a short-term way. They enjoy each other's company. The sex is great. Everything just seems sparkly when they're together. They have "so much in common."

And in about 2.5 to 3 years it wears off and they end up looking at each other like "who the hell are you and why the hell are we married." Sometimes it's all the way to "I hate you. You lied to me. You've ruined my life." Granted, once in a blue moon it'll work. But my observations are that it's rare.

Sometimes the people will stay married because there are then children involved (they have a way of popping out whether you plan them or not). That is a miserable environment for all concerned. There's also an awful lot of single parents out there these days who didn't plan to be single parents. That's a rough life to live, for both the single parent and the kid (s).

By all means explore your relationship with your boyfriend. But if it's love, it'll be love in three years. Wait. At least wait a full year. If it's not really what you think it is, you could be in for a lot of misery if you jump into things too quickly. Do not take any steps that do not feel 100% right and comfortable.

If he won't wait, you have an instant answer to what he really feels.

Good luck, hon.


Now that is very sensible and wise advice and words, though admittedly, being myself convinced of my 'love' for a man I have never even had a conversation with, I am naturally reticent to take all on board at this moment... I suppose that obsessions with people need to wear off in their own time and be replaced by a more healthy one. I suppose though that personal belief can come into what one feels about whether love has to grow over time, or whether it can be instantaneous. I know many who are involved in spiritual beliefs, believe that one soul can be instantly attracted to another...and then there are so many definitions of love and ideas of what it is. Some say that there is a universal love, some say that everyone and everything is connected... it really does depend on individual beliefs, I think, although of course, the logical thing to conclude is that one has to know a person to love them... but what of people such as Mother Theresa then, and those who claim to love all unconditionally? To need to know someone to love them, to me, is to put conditions on love. I don't know, I am off on a tangent but I just wanted to explore that a little as love and what it is, is something I have often thought on.



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01 Mar 2007, 6:31 pm

No problem. Tangents are good.

But the girl isn't talking about marriage to Mother Theresa, is she. :wink:



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01 Mar 2007, 6:40 pm

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No problem. Tangents are good.

But the girl isn't talking about marriage to Mother Theresa, is she. :wink:


True enough, but I adhere to what I said, Love is a highly subjective thing and each person will have their own ideas on what constitutes love, and therefore whether it is what they are feeling. I do not believe any one person can truly know if another person does or does not feel love for another.



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02 Mar 2007, 11:04 am

I think part of the semantics problem here IS semantics. Unfortunately, English seems to have only one generic term - "Love" in current use. All we have is, on the seemingly more rare occasions when people bother to make the effort at clarity, another word thrown in front of it to try to narrow things down a bit. (Brotherly love, courtly love, neighborly love, romantic love, instinctive love, Godly love, patriotic love, familial love, etc.) You might hear "love your country" in the same conversation as "love Chinese food" and "loved all night long" and "love my dog" and "love my child".... "Love" can mean anything from a vague positive feeling to obsessive, blind acceptance to downright blinding lust (and all sorts of variations in between).


Given all that, the poor girl is feeling strung out and doesn't know what she feels. She appears to have significant doubts about the relationship, which, to me, is one of those nuclear whoop-whoop-whoop-redalertredalertredalert signs that no major action (i.e., marriage) should be undertaken until it's all sorted out and she has no qualms about it at all.



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02 Mar 2007, 12:47 pm

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I think part of the semantics problem here IS semantics. Unfortunately, English seems to have only one generic term - "Love" in current use. All we have is, on the seemingly more rare occasions when people bother to make the effort at clarity, another word thrown in front of it to try to narrow things down a bit. (Brotherly love, courtly love, neighborly love, romantic love, instinctive love, Godly love, patriotic love, familial love, etc.) You might hear "love your country" in the same conversation as "love Chinese food" and "loved all night long" and "love my dog" and "love my child".... "Love" can mean anything from a vague positive feeling to obsessive, blind acceptance to downright blinding lust (and all sorts of variations in between).


Given all that, the poor girl is feeling strung out and doesn't know what she feels. She appears to have significant doubts about the relationship, which, to me, is one of those nuclear whoop-whoop-whoop-redalertredalertredalert signs that no major action (i.e., marriage) should be undertaken until it's all sorted out and she has no qualms about it at all.


marriage isn't in the plans for the near future. we had not planned on getting married until after college, another 2 years. so, long engagement, time to figure it out, but at the same time enough commitment from each of us for it to be more than just boyfriend girlfriend.

Edit: what i need to know is HOW to figure it all out....


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02 Mar 2007, 2:52 pm

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marriage isn't in the plans for the near future. we had not planned on getting married until after college, another 2 years. so, long engagement, time to figure it out, but at the same time enough commitment from each of us for it to be more than just boyfriend girlfriend.

Edit: what i need to know is HOW to figure it all out....




Hon, if we could tell you that we'd be very, very rich people. Because everyone wants to figure that one out. I'm afraid it's a "do it yourself" kind of project. :wink:

Time should help, though.



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02 Mar 2007, 3:22 pm

Sometimes, I think that a relationship is destined to crumble the minute marriage comes into the equation, lol. I don't think I would ever want to marry, personally... it seems to instantly mean, loss of independence...it is as if, once that piece of paper is there and the girl is gotten, or the man is gotten, there is a license to stop working on it.



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03 Mar 2007, 2:38 pm

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Sometimes, I think that a relationship is destined to crumble the minute marriage comes into the equation, lol. I don't think I would ever want to marry, personally... it seems to instantly mean, loss of independence...it is as if, once that piece of paper is there and the girl is gotten, or the man is gotten, there is a license to stop working on it.


I hear ya there. The one time I married, things changed before the ink was dry on the license down at the courthouse. Those were the three most miserable years of my life. I think that one of the most lonely places you can be is married, if it's not really a marriage of mutual respect.

On the other hand, I've known folks who have been married for 60 years and they still hold hands when they go out for walks. I asked them, once, how they stayed so in love, and they said they made an effort to remember that the other one didn't have to stay with them, and they tried to treat each other as they did on their first dates. He used to bring her a little boquet of flowers every Sunday. It was really very sweet to talk to them, very nice people. Unfortunately she died a while back and he's now in a rapid decline without her. I doubt he'll last the year.