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Grammar Geek
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29 Apr 2016, 10:46 pm

I can't stand them. Nearly all NTs seem like awful people who care only about themselves. I read the book "A Field Guide to Earthlings," and it further opened my eyes to just how ruthless and uncaring these people are. Now I know there are a few good ones out there, but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule. When I see NTs doing NT things like being happy and socializing and enjoying romantic relationships, I just want to punch them. I don't want to feel this way toward them, but I've been hurt by them so many times and I've become very bitter about them. It's not their fault though; they're just being who they're wired to be. I just wish I could've been born NT instead so I could be a jackass to people and still enjoy all the benefits of life that they take for granted.



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29 Apr 2016, 11:16 pm

In a way, you remind me of myself with this post, though I wouldn't specifically link it to NTs.
I had a situation as following: I was depressed and not exactly fond of people at all at that time and in an attempt to distract myself, I was reading articles and a book about psychology. It was about causes for certain behaviours, why people (re)act the way they do, what influences them, their thought processes in such situations, etc.. Needless to say, it was not a good idea to do it at that time because all it did was just increase my frustration with people and the wish that there would be a world where there are no humans (the way we know them at least). Realistically, that's of course impossible.

I can understand what you mean. I've been treated unkind before only to see these people then spend time with their friends or love and act all cheerful and happily afterwards (sometimes literally right after) while I felt like a piece of trash by the way they treated me.
The best thing to do in such a case that I can think of might be to try to find a good ventile for the frustration, for example a punching bag, and a distraction that doesn't make you think of other humans, so when you feel this way towards them, you just let your hatred out on the punching bag and then spend some time with a hobby of yours when you have vented.


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29 Apr 2016, 11:54 pm

If this forum is any indication of what ASD people are like in real life, autistics can be real jerks, too. I've met many nice NTs; genuinely good, honest and kind. I don't know any autistic people in real life (that I'm aware of) besides myself, but I did meet one once, and he acted like a jerk.

He couldn't see anything wrong with any of his behaviors, thought he was right all the time, and was stubborn and mean at times. So, yeah, he was a jerk.

There are plenty of arrogant, stubborn, and mean people on WP to indicate that NTs hardly have a monopoly on being awful jerks.

It's just that the people who tend to pick on us are NT. They outnumber us, and we don't fit in. So of course the bullies will be NT rather than autistic. If we outnumbered them, they'd probably be bullied, too.



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30 Apr 2016, 12:12 am

As for me, it was more of a frustration with people in general, not just NTs, which is why I said that I wouldn't specifically link it to NTs. Yigeren, you're right that people often forget that anyone can be a jerk. Really, it just depends on the person, I completely agree with that.
I'm even fairly convinced that what you have mentioned - NT-ASD ratio flipped - would result in the same kind of bullying, or at least very similar.

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I just wish I could've been born NT instead so I could be a jackass to people and still enjoy all the benefits of life that they take for granted.

Actually, what Yigeren said and what you have written there just made me think of a few threads I've read the past days. In these threads, the NT was actually (occasionally) treated badly by someone who could have very well been on the spectrum, sometimes without being aware of behaving like a jerk until they were confronted with it directly. That alone can prove the point. However, it's an issue of empathy and I've already stated a few times that empathy is shaped through experience and practice. Everyone has it, but its development is a matter of what you went through and your own fantasy. People on the spectrum made different experiences than NTs, which is where the issues in communication and mutual understanding begin.

Also, that you feel bitter is not much of a surprise if you made bad experiences. It's a feeling and you can't really control feelings. You can try to ignore them or actually learn to cope with them. Venting is the healthy way, suppressing them the unhealthy.


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30 Apr 2016, 12:59 am

Grammar Geek wrote:
Nearly all NTs seem like awful people who care only about themselves.

This is generalization.
Generalizations are tools for NT people to help them to form some picture and understand world around them.
Seeing world as relations and interactions among totality of particulars is my way.

So "nearly all" depends on where we gonna round that decimal.
In reality, that's individual thing.

Same for being jerk - NT or ND.

just my 2c.



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30 Apr 2016, 1:57 am

There are a lot of neurotipicals out there who will tell you that we are the ones being a**holes. A lot of people who don't know much about autism may think that we are using it as an excuse to be rude to people and I have heard from multiple very unreliable sources that autism (and ADD/ADHD for that matter) is being over-diagnosed and these diagnosises are being handed out to people doing poorly in school. There are also some autistic supremacists out there who believe that we are the next stage in human evolution. I have also seen an article linked to on this forum which compares autistic people to psychopaths and advises that people stop associating with us if possible because we will ruin their life.

My point is, there are neurotipicals out there who feel the same way about us as you feel about them, and these feelings aren't a good thing for anyone. Both groups have their fair share of a**holes, and both have a lot of good people too. Sure some of the worst people I have ever encountered are NT but so are the best people I have in my life like my dad who is very understanding about my autism and some of my best friends who helped me be more included in things when I was younger. They also sometimes unintentionally come off as being rude to us just as we sometimes come off as being rude to them, there are threads here asking about why neurotipicals do certain behaviors that seem quite rude even though they are socially normal and even expected in some cases.


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30 Apr 2016, 2:45 am

mikeman7918 wrote:
Both groups have their fair share of a**holes, and both have a lot of good people too.

This.
I wanted to say exactly this, but as usual, came out over-complicated.... [sigh]



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30 Apr 2016, 8:40 am

One thing one should remember: NT's are not living in some social paradise.

I like Temple Grandin--but what she said about NT's just socializing around the fire doing nothing really isn't so; this socializing was an important component of group cohesion, and usually was related to the hunt and to the survival of the group. People in Cro-Magnon days didn't have much downtime like we have. They needed time to just screw around.

Fortunately, there were people who were more self-contained (i.e., perhaps Aspie-like); hence, they could find the time to create new tools, develop ways to domesticate animals, domesticate wild cereal grains so that they could be used for human consumption, become Shamans and (perhaps related to Shamanism), produce the beautiful cave art which depicted spirits related to the hunt.

Many NT's also have social anxiety, too, and make social faux pas. It's just that they could hide it better than us, and don't have other autistic-type characteristics.



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30 Apr 2016, 10:51 am

s**t like this makes me cringe. How is it any different from bigotry?



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30 Apr 2016, 10:57 am

Grammar Geek wrote:
I can't stand them. Nearly all NTs seem like awful people who care only about themselves. ... It's not their fault though; they're just being who they're wired to be. I just wish I could've been born NT instead so I could be a jackass to people and still enjoy all the benefits of life that they take for granted.
Donald Trump is the quintessential neurotypical person. If you ever want to know why people hate NTs, just observe how Mr. Trump treats women, minorities, and the disabled.


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01 May 2016, 6:18 am

Apparently, according to several sources, Donald Trump has difficulty making friends; his "special interest," apparently, is himself.

Most NT's aren't as extreme as Donald Trump.



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04 May 2016, 9:32 pm

Donald Trump just talks to get a reaction.



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05 May 2016, 7:08 am

I have been bullied by an aspie boy in school. All the other bullies were NT boys and girls, but only because they were the majority anyway.

I was more misunderstood and punished for my autistic traits by my (undiagnosed) autistic father than my NT mother. He is one of the men I hate most in my life and he was a horrible husband to my mother.
Just to show you AS ppl aren't any more desirable than NTs. NTs are just in the majority so their behaviour sticks out to you.

My only friend is a NT boy, and he's my friend since 6 years. He never judged me for my autistic traits.

One more thing I have noticed as a female is how many AS men are in the manosphere.



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05 May 2016, 5:30 pm

What's the "manosphere?"



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06 May 2016, 3:20 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
What's the "manosphere?"

stuff like MRA; MGTOW (men going their own way); the red pill, Return of Kings
Not saying all AS men end up there.



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06 May 2016, 3:50 am

cool generalizations, OP.


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