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15 Jun 2016, 2:01 am

It seems like a lot of people think that psychological abuse isn't very serious. I know physical abuse can be much worse than psychological, especially when it gets dangerous. I mean, it seems like when you get pushed or shoved into something it's usually taken very seriously compared to someone gas-lighting you and trying to mess with your head. I've experienced both, but to me I would much rather get pushed than have someone try to mess with my head because I feel like the effects of someone pushing me aren't as long term as being gas-lighted. Does anyone else feel this way?



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15 Jun 2016, 2:36 am

Abuse is abuse, no matter what form it takes. I have had more than enough of it in the 59 years I've been on this rock. It's why I seldom leave my room, it's why I'm so f!cking fat, it's why My finances are such a mess, it's why I never dated or married, and it's why I no longer trust anyone. Essentially, everything that has happened to me in the past is all my fault, and I deserved to be sh!t upon, gas lighted, physically beaten, and cut down to be worse than trash.



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15 Jun 2016, 10:39 am

I'd much rather be hit or shoved than have someone jack with my head.

At least when you're getting knocked around, you know for sure what's happening.

Yes, I do think having someone screw with your head stays with you longer. I got pushed and shoved and hit and had things thrown at me frequently all through grade school; it only took a couple years for me to stop being on the defensive physically once I got out of that situation.

The head-fucking is still with me, probably will be for life.


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15 Jun 2016, 2:38 pm

As stated above: abuse is abuse, whether physical or psychological.

I'd guess that both in individual narcissism and collective narcissism the abuse often starts with a subtle form of psychological abuse. The abuser tests the audience, so to say. If there then isn't enough opposition or judgment from others than the target, the abuse will increase in evil.

A good example in my opinion is the Holocaust - a form of collective narcissism. It started with "small", subtle things. Indirect mockery in public papers turning into direct one. Okay, you got away with that! You can't have a radio or you can't go there. Okay, you got away with that too! You have to do this and you have to give all you have. Okay, you got away with even that! Then lastly you have to give your life too. (Making a long story very short).

As there is no collective opposition to the abuse, it will increase in evil every time people turn the blind eye to it. Sooner or later the abuse could lead to physical abuse and murder as was the case in the Holocaust.

In my opinion this increase in evil will apply to all evil actions. The mind of the perpetrator changes along the actions it takes. I think it is said in Talmud or somewhere that when you do sin and when you do it the second time, it's not a sin anymore.

The border of evil shifts place. What used to mean bad and forbidden, is no longer. The same applies to good actions. The more you practice, the further you want to travel.

Abuse breeds from abuse.



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15 Jun 2016, 5:42 pm

BuyerBeware wrote:
I'd much rather be hit or shoved than have someone jack with my head.

At least when you're getting knocked around, you know for sure what's happening.

Yes, I do think having someone screw with your head stays with you longer. I got pushed and shoved and hit and had things thrown at me frequently all through grade school; it only took a couple years for me to stop being on the defensive physically once I got out of that situation.

The head-fucking is still with me, probably will be for life.


Yeah, I think it's strange that a lot of people think gas-lighting is much less serious even though it much more damaging than getting pushed, imo.



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15 Jun 2016, 6:42 pm

I agree tat sometime psychological abuse can be worse cause it is harder to heal from. At least if you get punched one day it won't hurt or affect you anymore. Although both forms of abuse are deplorable.

What is gas-lighting?



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15 Jun 2016, 7:02 pm

Alliekit wrote:
I agree tat sometime psychological abuse can be worse cause it is harder to heal from. At least if you get punched one day it won't hurt or affect you anymore. Although both forms of abuse are deplorable.

What is gas-lighting?

"manipulate (someone) by psychological means into doubting their own sanity." is what google fed me, though many do tend to confuse/associate it with covertly invalidating statements others make through snide remarks and sarcasm. I suppose it achieves a similar effect.


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16 Jun 2016, 12:03 am

I think that often the purpose of physical abuse is actually psychological: to leave the target in fear.



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16 Jun 2016, 3:51 pm

I have lived through physical, sexual and psychological abuse. And I can easily say, the psychological abuse was the most damaging of the bunch.

Especially when my mother is gaslighting me and telling me that all of the sexual and the physical abuse never happened, even though I know it did and she knows it did.