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27 Jun 2016, 3:10 pm

My mind is spinning around this development and this is what I have come up with. The EU is done ... it will break up piece by piece over the next few years. Quebec will again move to separate from Canada and this time they will. The United States will break up along political lines ... the Trumpets and the Sanderites and there will be strife between black and white Americans.
I grew up with globalization being as expected as food. I'm not sure what I think about breaking down into protective groups .... interesting times.
And with the behaviour of the "terrorist" groups it seems medieval times never went away. Maybe the world will be more Mad Max than 1984.



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27 Jun 2016, 3:41 pm

androbot01 wrote:
My mind is spinning around this development and this is what I have come up with. The EU is done ... it will break up piece by piece over the next few years. Quebec will again move to separate from Canada and this time they will. The United States will break up along political lines ... the Trumpets and the Sanderites and there will be strife between black and white Americans.
I grew up with globalization being as expected as food. I'm not sure what I think about breaking down into protective groups .... interesting times.
And with the behaviour of the "terrorist" groups it seems medieval times never went away. Maybe the world will be more Mad Max than 1984.


A bad peace is even worse than war. Tacitus



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27 Jun 2016, 4:45 pm

I don't believe all this will transpire, Ann.

I don't believe Quebec will split from Canada.

I don't believe certain parts of the US will split off from the Union.

It's possible that Scotland might split off from the UK. And it's possible that Scotland might refuse Brexit, thereby inducing negotiations pertaining to it, and perhaps a counter-referendum.



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28 Jun 2016, 6:20 am

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In the first session of Parliament since Thursday’s historic vote, Cameron said Monday that his country alone will set the timetable to launch the talks for the split.

“This is our sovereign decision,” Cameron said in an appearance in the House of Commons that was met with rapturous applause. “It will be for Britain and Britain alone to take.” Cameron was adamant, however, that Britain will leave: Despite campaigning relentlessly for a vote to “remain,” the prime minister said the will of the public “must be accepted.”

He also seemed to dash the hopes — however faint — of the millions of Britons who have signed a petition in recent days pushing for a rerun of the referendum in the expectation that the 52 percent to 48 percent “leave” victory will be reversed.

“I’m not planning a second referendum,” Cameron said.


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I think this deal is done, for better or for worse. It's the first great marker of the end of western civilization. Other nations will follow this example as intolerance spreads.



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28 Jun 2016, 6:35 am

I think that too much is being made of this "Brexit". Believe it or not, there was a time when there was no European Union. In its present form, the EU has been around only since 1993 (the Maastricht Treaty). I know that this seems like forever to someone so young, but it really doesn't matter in the longer run.

The Media is hyping this story to keep you interested in it by playing on your fears of a global economic meltdown, the collapse of civilization, rioting, looting, and panic in the streets. They're taking the view that "Brexit" is tantamount to declaration of war. You would be better off to step back and take in a wider view of history. The people most likely to fare worst in this "Brexit" are the Britains themselves. The rest of the world, not so much ...

In any case, the EU and the rest of the world will adapt, the current situation will become the new Status Quo, and business will go on as usual.



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28 Jun 2016, 6:48 am

What is being described are worst-case scenarios.

Most of them probably will not come pass.

The Domino Effect doesn't usually come to full fruition.



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28 Jun 2016, 7:40 am

Well, you guys are probably right. I suffer from doom and gloom thinking. Still though, it does seem significant. There seems to be an international zeitgeist of intolerance and ethnocentrism. I'm fearful that imported goods will become harder to get.



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28 Jun 2016, 12:58 pm

The USA doesn't have any line to split along. Nothing like a Mason Dixon line dividing cultures. Its all mixed up. It might not be pretty, but we are all stuck with each other.

Don't have a clue about Quebec. How feasible it is. Didn't they have votes in the past? How close were they?

But the example of Brexit might have the opposite effect. If it looks like a mess, perhaps Quebec won't want to go there.

The EU is not predictable to me. I see nothing certain. The initial reactions (dramatic) will fade and it will cause some re-evalutating. But what the individual countries will think and do has many possibilities. External factors can play a part. A resurgent/aggressive Russia for instance.



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28 Jun 2016, 1:26 pm

Montreal Gazette: Brexit: PQ leadership hopefuls share their reactions
It could happen.
Quebec sovereignty movement

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Mark Rutte, the Dutch premier and formerly one of Mr Cameron’s closest allies, argued for Britain to be granted “some space”. But he was unforgiving in his reasons why, saying: “England has collapsed politically, monetarily, constitutionally and economically.”

Merkel is not pleased.

I don't know about the U.S. People's views are so opposed and there are so many guns.



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28 Jun 2016, 1:35 pm

There's always going to be speculation in the news. All you can do is keep track of events.

If Quebec really wanted to break away from the rest of Canada, they probably would have done it a while ago.



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28 Jun 2016, 4:14 pm

Fnord has it exactly correct. The EU as it is now is actually a relatively new beast. There were hundreds and hundreds of years of the UK being its own entity before - as was every country in the EU -- and the UK is simply trying to return to that same autonomy. The same autonomy other countries enjoy and nobody makes a fuss about: The USA. Canada. Australia -- and on and on. The UK used to be like those. This vote was a plea to be that again, instead of having all our directives handed to us by people we did not elect.

The current panics on the part of things like the financial bodies and certain politicians (and other public figures) are just silly and temporary. Everything is going to come out fine -- as long as it's ALLOWED to. There's been a lot of scaremongering and the only harm that will come to anyone, including the UK itself, is going to be done BY those scaremongerers self-fulfilling it.



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28 Jun 2016, 5:37 pm

I think it will become more and more clear that the leave campaign was based on lies and soon the bubbles will all be burst.



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29 Jun 2016, 4:39 am

Essentially why the United Kingdom left the EU is the same reason why the United States decided to rebel. Taxation without representation. The EU is an unelected foreign force that tell's England that it must take in this amount of immigrants, famously telling them how to package pork chops and try to ban the use of England's Tea Kettles.

And since England is pulling out they are jump starting this ban and since England still is within the EU Tea Kettles will be banned shortly. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05 ... xit-vote2/

For about 30 years the United States has gone global off shoring all of its jobs well the young who are now adults lives in poverty to help globalists. Here in the United States we are pissed thus the rise of Donald Trump and other outsiders. If you think though we have it bad here in the United States it is not as bad as what's going on in England. In the United States we are literally screwing ourselves in England a foreign Government is deciding how British Culture should be and how British people shall go about their day.

Btw if you live in the UK might as well get ready to trash your high-powered vacuum cleaners, tea kettles, and toosters as they are to be banned soon by a foreign body.

Oh and Internet routers, hand-dryers, mobile phones and patio jet-washers the EU is looking to ban those going forward soon for a more eco friendly design that they shall choose.



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29 Jun 2016, 5:34 am

That's right, my kettle broke this morning, I had to fight someone for the last kettle in the shop, this one is made in China though. I just want an British kettle that uses as much power as possible to boil water. But then I will be buying more power from the French owned power company. Maybe I'll just go back to boiling my tea water in an proper British pan over a fire made of proper British wood, as all the coal mines have been closed by the British government.



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29 Jun 2016, 7:37 am

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That's right, my kettle broke this morning, I had to fight someone for the last kettle in the shop, this one is made in China though. I just want an British kettle that uses as much power as possible to boil water. But then I will be buying more power from the French owned power company. Maybe I'll just go back to boiling my tea water in an proper British pan over a fire made of proper British wood, as all the coal mines have been closed by the British government.


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29 Jun 2016, 8:23 am

Need some George Carlin here...


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