anybody else living purely for themselves?

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In response to the "anybody else living solely for other people?" thread, I wanna ask if others are living only for themselves? I see more clearly every single day, that I will never, ever get anything I want/need from others, if I want something done, I gotta do it myself!
People will not give a dime or penny about me, or other unusual people, they could absolutly not care less, I need or want something, I must do/get it myself
Instead of looking for support in others, I try to find it in myself, instead of expecting something from my enviroment, I better expect it from myself Only from myself.
This way I stay away from a lot of crappy pain, from rediculous rules....
If I expect anything at all from my enviroment, I may just as well give up, or kill myself.
But I prefer to live MY life and not make another "unnormal" dissappear therefore I only live for myself. There are no rights and all that they tell , only oneself can do. I am really unhappy, but I see that its the result of wanting a place in society, now I do my own thing. No more trying to find a place in society.

well, on a bad day I might feel like you do, Invivo, but I do understand how you feel.

I have no family, they have all passed, I was a constant embarrassment to my brother who has spoke to me once in 40 years when my dad passed, and just to say don't contact him. I have been on my own since I was 17 and it hasn't always been easy, or even fun.

If I don't do it, it doesn't get done. I do it all. no other, significant or not, no federal or state or even charity help. Just me, supporting myself as best I can when I can. I get tired of doing it all, too! I don't think it will ever be different, because it hasn't been different in the past. I am eight years from being 65 and have nothing but Social Security to live on after that. I used to live just to see what would happen next. Most of the time, now, it is just habit. Sorry it it seems bleak. . it seems bleak to me, too. I have tried suicide and broke my back and put a huge rip into my face, and frankly, I can't work up the strength of idiocy to do it again.

any way,

Someday I will pass over and I sincerely hope I will not have to continue to take care of myself in some afterlife. If I do, I at least hope I will not be conscious of it. Matter of fact, I would like to not be conscious of it now.

Sorry to be a bummer, but I am trying not to whine, just stating how it is with me.

Merle

I agree with your philosophy. No need to feel bitter about it, though. Personally I find it liberating to realize that the world doesn't care about me, for if it did, it would want things from me, and possibly be inclined to get rid of me or hurt me if I did not do what it wanted. It is further something to be proud about, not sad about, that you can cater to your own needs. You were taught to be useful, not self-sufficient.

Human society is not the world. It does care about you, and does want things from you, because it thinks you are part of it. It is unclear though, not just to us, but also to those who participate in it, what its purposes are, if any. Most of its participants know of no world other than it. Collectively, they, and it, do precisely the thing they think we do: looking inward, blind to anything but itself. It has no future.

I am swimming in the ocean. It is far, far larger and more powerful than I am. A tiny stream or whirling in it can obliviate me in no time. It is not out to do so, though. My fate in it depends entirely on what I do. It wants nothing from me. But I can feel it, and look around, and respond to it. Now I feel I belong, and that I am alive.

Not participating in human society does not necessarily mean living for yourself. It is good to try and do good things. Small good things, because you are small. Do nice things for people you care about, and be good to your pets and other animals. Take plants into your home, and make them flourish. Or whatever else. Without trying to induce small positive differences, I would not feel real, and alive.

Is there really anyother way to live?

I live for myself. I would not understand anyone who did not.

I did what got done, I gathered what got gathered, and it worked fine for me.

Then the world showed up, they wanted what I had, but did not want to do and gather, they wanted me to give them what I had. If I would not give them myself, do and gather for them, become a slave, they would destroy me.

Now the door is locked, and the phone is on constant dialup. I have been slandered and insulted, weak words from weaker people. I do for me, and it works.

The world still attacks what it can never have, self. Worse, they join in mobs which lowers identity, but still they have nothing. Barking dogs do not bite.

"Treat them like people.
they act like dogs,
treat them like dogs,
they act like well behaved dogs."

Inventor

I don't expect anybody else to live for me, so I don't live for anybody else.

I keep going in life out of sheer curiousity to find out what happens next because, knowing my luck, the second I let my guard down the best oppurtunity I could ever have at happiness would appear.

It's the hope that there is that chance out there, and the determination that i'm going to find it, that keeps me in this world - nothing else.

That's how I live my life. I see no other way to live.

mm if i want anything done, i do it. i'm not clever enough to rally or manipulate others to help me, i'm bad at asking for help, so what can ya do.

i live for myself since the world of living for or in communion with others is closed to me.

i have pets and plants. i'm happy.

I agree with somethings said here. I live for me, I am the one who chose my actions. I am not effected by one's actions unless I am connected to that person which inevitably was my decision. I have the will to walk away, I have the will to step forward. My mistakes were not an act of satan or an act of influence by peers, my problems when I was younger were rooted from my surface desires I was not pressured in to doing them. I can see how chain reaction works, I can see how the odds can be against me and I can see reason but all in all, if I do not want to do something unless you supply me with significant reason to do so, I will not do it. I have in the past when I wasn't doing so great said I lived for something or did something for something else but in the end when that surface notion is pulled off you see what was underlying which was MY desire, MY want, MY choice. In one way it sucks, all the s**t you've done was inevitably YOUR doing. Its much easier to pitch the blame on someone else and sure, other elements CAN be a part of your choices however in the end it was YOUR choice.

So, while it might be a troublesome thing for me because yes, my ego gets in the way a LOT. It is also liberating and strong. Too much pride is just as bad as too little though and I've always been an extremist.

I agree with that; I generally go as far as to completely refuse to do anything that I don't want to do. I have never been able to understand why someone would, for example, spend their life working at a job they hate just so that they can perpetuate that same lifestyle. This brings me to my QUESTION! How far does this self-sufficiency go, those of you who rely only on yourselves? Do you actually have jobs, or do you grow your own food, or does the government pay you or something? My family are always trying to get me to go for jobs where I could never possibly function, but getting them to understand the reasons why is incredibly difficult seeing as their fundamental beliefs are completely different to mine.

Hm, this might be a bit off topic actually. Oh well

my parents care I know but I live because I want to get married and live the life I was given
sure it sucks but there's so much I haven't done yet

Can you explain that? I would say that others may connect with you, through speech or action, without any sort of invitation from you; you would then not be responsible for the making of that connection, and, depending on circumstances, there might not be much you can do about how it affects you. The presence of wanters other than yourself complicates matters.

[quote="agentcyclosarin"] did something for something else but in the end when that surface notion is pulled off you see what was underlying which was MY desire, MY want, MY choice. quote]

The fact that they're your choices doesn't necessarily mean they're purely self-serving, though. Nor is it a bad thing that there's always a self-serving element in what you do, in the sense that you're trying to make something happen that you want to happen. Alternatively, you could try to stop wanting, and just do. This state of mind seems nigh unattainable, but not impossible. But then, if you'd succeed, what would it be that does, and why would it do it?