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18 May 2018, 2:16 am

So granted it disturbs me when I find out about stuff that is harming the environment. Like I want to make a difference and I recycle as much as I can and I would really like to change things but not sure how to do that. Anyways though its not even always that I know something is bad. Like I mean I know plastic waste gets into the ocean and hurts aquatic life....so I've been looking into how to reduce my impact, I'd like to get some resusable stainless steel straws or these ones I have heard of that you can eat, made from seaweed and other edible materials. I mean I don't want to be responsible for some poor turtle having a straw stuck up its nose.

But I guess my point is, not only do I realize we could do better about being more eco-friendly. This might sound strange, but like I feel a sort of pain when I see environmental destruction...like it feels painful around my heart and that is one reason I cannot be ignorant to this kind of thing...I can literally feel it. Like I got worked up about a lake around my area, where they cut down a bunch of trees and destroyed some of the ecosystem around it....to expand the size of the lake for supposed incoming residents. I mean not only was I pissed about what I saw...but its like I could feel the loss, I couldn't let it go because it felt so devastating, like I felt pain in my chest because of it. I don't know why I am so sensitive but maybe i need to be using it for something.


I just...like why can I feel that, I don't want to but I do, and the bigger question is what can I do. Of course I could never use that for my reason, people would think I sound like a crazy person saying I can feel the pain of the world...but I don't know how else to explain it.


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18 May 2018, 3:09 am

from everywhere else, the us were the last to come to the table to do anything
and only since it's some big multinationals-led trade-system that puts the blame(taxes and punishments) on the taxpayers-consumers, the us/un takes it as a religious crusade to force that system upon all

its all so post-democratic, things no one wants, gmo, fracking all that must be done for profit-reasons, what profit, why?
but, you citizen must pay for wrong-being
its weird that left is now corporate globalism, that used to be on the other side,
but io to justify this there's urgency and purity added,
the apocalyse in my lifetime, of narcissistic thought
combined with the justice of authoritarian purity-rulings,
:lol: again a narcissistic game of virtue-display for likes and friends and retweets



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18 May 2018, 7:47 am

There's nothing wrong with you, there's just something wrong with humanity. And despite Hawking beliefs, going to a different planet won't help, if we can't even save our own planet.


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18 May 2018, 8:44 am

While I’d rather carry plastic than paper bags out of the supermarket, I would forsake the plastic should I know this would lead to a better environment.



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18 May 2018, 11:37 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Of course I could never use that for my reason, people would think I sound like a crazy person saying I can feel the pain of the world...but I don't know how else to explain it.


Maybe you are an environmental empath?



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18 May 2018, 11:55 am

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There's nothing wrong with you, there's just something wrong with humanity. And despite Hawking beliefs, going to a different planet won't help, if we can't even save our own planet.


If we can't take care of this planet, we don't deserve a new planet...what so we can destroy that one to?


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18 May 2018, 11:58 am

hobojungle wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Of course I could never use that for my reason, people would think I sound like a crazy person saying I can feel the pain of the world...but I don't know how else to explain it.


Maybe you are an environmental empath?


I mean if that is even a thing, than probably.


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18 May 2018, 12:02 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Of course I could never use that for my reason, people would think I sound like a crazy person saying I can feel the pain of the world...but I don't know how else to explain it.


Maybe you are an environmental empath?


I mean if that is even a thing, than probably.


It needs to be a thing. :)



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18 May 2018, 1:34 pm

Hyper-connected ASD neurons in the heart-brain? :? :)

Doesn't sound like your experience is an ailment than needs to be cured. You would fit right in with the "tribe," at Wreck Beach. 8)

Use it.. remediate the environment, clean stuff up, go to school for environmental sustainability sciences, teach these classes to others.. whatever role those possibly hyper-connected little heart neurons tell you you're best suited for to make the biggest impact you can.. pursue it to the nth degree & never look back!

Everything happens for a reason.. there's a reason there are more and more VERY environmentally conscious humans speaking up these days - Earth (and humanity) depends on people like you. Whether Natives, "Indigo children," or "rainbow warriors," or whatever label people want to put on the growing number of people who are VERY connected to nature & being vocal about it's preservation doesn't really matter.. all of these types of people exist in the here and now for a reason; because they're Needed. Necessity breeds invention.. we need people who think and feel like you to do the things you do & teach others, even if only by example vs. in a lecture theatre.


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18 May 2018, 2:15 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
If we can't take care of this planet, we don't deserve a new planet...what so we can destroy that one to?

Like a naughty kid who destroys all his toys and wants a new one... Amen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYlNjQ5TTF4


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18 May 2018, 10:39 pm

I have environmental and sustainability empathy just like you! I have been working so hard to reduce my impacts on environment. Running a Landcare group is so difficult if you want others to change their behaviours towards the environment. More importantly is YOU. How you can save your environment. This will eventually saving our environments.

There are so many alternatives that makes you feel good. My brain is always thinking about environmental destruction when come doing things in my household, driving a car and going at social events. There is a huge Greek festival across the road in a public park. There huge loud speakers, thousands of lights, lot of food vendors and that. I am not attending this event because its incredibly unfriendly to the environment, and of course it pretty crowded for my comfort.



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19 May 2018, 12:22 am

Doesn't sound like anything is wrong.

As far as what you can do? It's hard to say if there's really anything we can do, aside from reducing human overpopulation. People are always consuming product, and most products are wastefully packaged. Back in the day, you would collect your foil wrap and tin cans, and a recycler would pay you for it. Now you have to pay if you want a recycling service.

There was an episode of Penn & Teller's BS where they explained that a lot of recycling (paper and plastic, IIRC) actually uses more energy than just making new product, so it's not actually good for the environment.

I always think about the same thing with other products that are supposed to be "better". Like electric cars, well unless you're running solar, that electricity has to come from somewhere, so how energy efficient is it, really? (I'm sure there must be hard numbers out there, but I never bothered to look) A lot of big cities make it easy to walk, bike, or take public transportation, but places like where I live, you have to drive 30-60 minutes to work every day.

BTW, they make paper straws.


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19 May 2018, 2:56 am

hobojungle wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Of course I could never use that for my reason, people would think I sound like a crazy person saying I can feel the pain of the world...but I don't know how else to explain it.


Maybe you are an environmental empath?


I mean if that is even a thing, than probably.


It needs to be a thing. :)


Perhaps I mean as a child I really connected with the movie Ferngully, I mean that's why I didn't have any friends because I wanted to tell everyone about how they should save the forests and help the environment and animals at the age of 7. What 7 year old cares about that...well apparently not most of my classmates. I think I got discouraged, but now I am back I didn't stop caring when I became an adult as some adults told me I would. I even tried to run away from my own mentality and stop giving such a damn about the world around me, but yet I keep coming back to the whole environment thing.


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19 May 2018, 3:09 am

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I have environmental and sustainability empathy just like you! I have been working so hard to reduce my impacts on environment. Running a Landcare group is so difficult if you want others to change their behaviours towards the environment. More importantly is YOU. How you can save your environment. This will eventually saving our environments.

There are so many alternatives that makes you feel good. My brain is always thinking about environmental destruction when come doing things in my household, driving a car and going at social events. There is a huge Greek festival across the road in a public park. There huge loud speakers, thousands of lights, lot of food vendors and that. I am not attending this event because its incredibly unfriendly to the environment, and of course it pretty crowded for my comfort.


And it is hard too, like today I went out to a concert with my boyfriend and we stopped to get food first...and automatically I grabbed a straw and a plastic lid...but then I could not help thinking 'I don't need this, and plastic straws are terrible for aquatic life' yet I still grabbed on, I could have just drank my drink without the straw or the lid. I saw a video where they had to pull a straw out of a sea-turtles nose, yet I still used one...shame on me I need to get a reusable straw or the biodegradable edible ones I saw on facebook.

Another problem is balloons, people releasing balloons into the air...recently at some memorial in the U.K for this kid who finally got life-support cut off after being brain-dead for quite some time they released tons of balloons in his honor...but the sad thing is all that balloon waste will probably contribute to the ocean being choked by plastic. In what way does that honor a dead child? That is a good point it has to start with individuals addressing their own wasteful behaviors its not enough to just talk about it and tell other people to be more environmentally friendly...one has to actually go that direction their self. And well I've been working on it, but its hard...however hard does not mean impossible I suppose one could say you must lead by example.


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19 May 2018, 4:15 am

I think there is absolutely nothing worng with you. If anything, its the others who are wrong.
This seems to be a huge strength of you. Use it.


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20 May 2018, 8:34 pm

What you are feeling is your conscience, empathy towards the environment. I feel the same way. I feel guilt for all the garbage I have produced in my life, I feel it in my heart for the plastic I use on a daily basis that will be around forever. I feel sad when I use something that is plastic that isnt recycable.