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10 May 2019, 7:41 pm

I am surrounded by people who tell me I am sick. The world as a whole and individuals in my life tell me I am sick. I get angry, I have an illness. I tell someone I dislike something, I am sick, strange, delusional, or confused. Depression, Anxiety, and Psychosis are three words I have had forced on to me more than any actual "trait".

Our whole culture (most of them) has become so dead that you are either a perfect ideal citizen or you are some kind of escaped madhouse patient who needs medication and a demeaning, belittling talk from some individual who feels they are superior to you because they apply terms to themselves such as "healthy" and "productive", two words which require clarification that is never given.

I am told so many things but I don't understand their purpose. Whenever I challenge some norm or convention I am again given the same response, that I need to see a doctor because you simply don't challenge those things. Where is this great body of professionals that everyone keeps referencing to help you solve any internal or external problem by use of a magic pill? And why do mental health professionals look down at me? What are they seeing that I'm not, or more like what are they trying to avoid in themselves? This society has replaced God/s with mental doctors. What is normalcy and why is one word used to reference so many billions of people in all their complexity? We don't even do the same for animals.

Maybe I am insane. This world is demented and human-made reality is absurd. I just don't know what's going on anymore so I guess I will just do nothing to try and understand it anymore.



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10 May 2019, 8:54 pm

Sounds like gaslighting or just plain ignorance and meanness.

It might help if you gave me some examples of the things you dislike that gets the response "I am sick, strange, delusional, or confused."

and some examples of the norm or convention you challenge to get the same response.

I may be able to diagnose you sane if I knew this :)


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10 May 2019, 9:19 pm

wrongcitizen wrote:
I am surrounded by people who tell me I am sick. The world as a whole and individuals in my life tell me I am sick. I get angry, I have an illness. I tell someone I dislike something, I am sick, strange, delusional, or confused. Depression, Anxiety, and Psychosis are three words I have had forced on to me more than any actual "trait". Our whole culture (most of them) has become so dead that you are either a perfect ideal citizen or you are some kind of escaped madhouse patient who needs medication and a demeaning, belittling talk from some individual who feels they are superior to you because they apply terms to themselves such as "healthy" and "productive", two words which require clarification that is never given. I am told so many things but I don't understand their purpose. Whenever I challenge some norm or convention I am again given the same response, that I need to see a doctor because you simply don't challenge those things. Where is this great body of professionals that everyone keeps referencing to help you solve any internal or external problem by use of a magic pill? And why do mental health professionals look down at me? What are they seeing that I'm not, or more like what are they trying to avoid in themselves? This society has replaced God/s with mental doctors. What is normalcy and why is one word used to reference so many billions of people in all their complexity? We don't even do the same for animals. Maybe I am insane. This world is demented and human-made reality is absurd. I just don't know what's going on anymore so I guess I will just do nothing to try and understand it anymore.

saying that people are insane if they do not enthusiastically support the way things are, is what the old soviet union did and increasingly what The Dotard's america is doing to the rest of us who think differently. we must resist, out-stubborn the evil culture we are imprisoned within. we must continue to be a big painful thorn in the side of the way things are.



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10 May 2019, 9:41 pm

You would have to give us examples for us to even begin to get the picture of your situation.

I have to be honest. I realize that I am supposed to take your side and tell you "that its all everybody else's fault", or that "its society that's insane and not you" (and the later is probably true to some extent- you might be a later day Socrates- but they forced Socrates to drink poison). But it could be that if I knew you in person you might rub me the wrong way for the same reasons that you apparently rub other folks in your life the wrong way. And I might join the chorus of folks demanding that you get professional help. I don't know.

And I am not trying to take "sides" between you and society. Its just it seems obvious that you have trouble following certain norms because your autism makes you a misfit. And even if it IS society that is at fault for having those norms it doesn't matter. You still have to conform, or die. Society wont change for you. You have to change for it. Not fair but that's the way it is.

Or that's what it sounds like. Again...you haven't given us actual examples.



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10 May 2019, 9:42 pm

he does NOT have to "conform or DIE." especially not the latter.



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11 May 2019, 8:09 am

I would need examples too. There was a time when I heard those kinds of things from others. I was suffering from a psychotic depression at the time & never heard those terms applied to me much as a kid & teen but I heard them a lot after I turned 20 & my 1st realtionship fell apart. It may be better if I don't post about the kinds of things I wanted to challenge & do & things I talked about & stuff but anyways... things got better after I started getting treatment & my depression gradually lifted.
That stuff said, However having Aspergers can make us think differently & have problems conforming to the rest of society. It's not that we're "crazy" but rather that we're living in a world that is not designed for us & that can turn us into actual crazy like it did for me.


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12 May 2019, 3:45 pm

auntblabby wrote:
he does NOT have to "conform or DIE." especially not the latter.


It depends.

You wear clothes and read and write...don't you? That's conforming.

None of us knows what he is talking about so none of us can give him advice.

Everyone fleshes out his incomplete account with their own assumptions- and they assure him that everyone in his life is an evil villain conspiring against him. We don't if either he or they are villians. But its clear that he is doing something in his life that just doesn't work. I just want him, and everyone to knock it off with making ANY one a villian and just let him his story so we all coach him in how to survive.



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12 May 2019, 3:59 pm

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I just want him, and everyone to knock it off with making ANY one a villian and just let him his story so we all coach him in how to survive.


Are you having a bad day dude , you appear stressed.


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12 May 2019, 4:17 pm

If your doctor is condescending, see if you can get a different one

Insanity has a vague and subjective definition

Even in the dictionary

Some people tell anyone they don't like, they are "crazy" or "stupid"

Just because you are in the minority does not (necessarily) make you "insane"



Having said that,

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14 May 2019, 1:31 pm

Being a minority is painful, as we humans are a social creature. The majority choosing to shun certain people who they deem "abnormal" is not just a cultural thing, it's in our DNA - it's part of evolution to reject the "abnormalities" - it's survival of the fittest.

However, that's strictly biologically speaking. When we take into account that we are no longer just monkeys, but creatures who value intellect, creativity, innovation and morality, suddenly the minority go from being the misshapen fruit that needs to be tossed away lest God forbid it passes on its seeds - to being the revolutionaries; the legends; the ones who have the power to evolve the whole of society.
It is still painful to be the minority, but it can also be something to be proud of.
I must add a disclaimer that of course not all those who find themselves rejected by society should automatically assume that they are more progressive or "special" than the rest; you should still question yourself always and strive to do your best to be a better you each day.

I'm sorry that you feel so harshly rejected by the people in your life, but whilst it might be useful to examine if there's any truth to their observations of you, so you can try to change for the better if there is, you should try not to let others affect your self worth because none of them have the right to condemn you or act superior to you; if they do, they are only proving their small mindedness.


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15 May 2019, 4:23 am

I've had a really weird past few months but I am now taking steps to fix it. I've read all of your posts but I'm not sure how to address them all, so I will just post this saying I have read them.

I acknowledged that I have a problem, because I realized that the disorder I have that isn't AS makes you think you are normal. It actually impairs some areas of logical thinking to an extent, like I was "lied to" in thinking I was right and everyone else was going insane. It is a rollercoaster but in my own desire to have some semblance of stability, I will continue to fight it no matter how many weird posts I make.



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15 May 2019, 6:32 am

wrongcitizen wrote:
It is a rollercoaster but in my own desire to have some semblance of stability, I will continue to fight it no matter how many weird posts I make.


I respect your self-awareness and resolve to persevere and try your best, despite your struggles.
I wish you luck and I hope that you are able to learn to manage your condition so you can have a happy and fulfilling life :)


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