Why do these evil killers turn out to have autism?
I was reading about the shooting at the Sandy Hook elementary (just out of interest), and it mentioned that the evil bastard had Asperger's syndrome.
Then I heard James Fairweather, a young murderer in Essex, was said to have a form of autism after being assessed by the court psychiatrists or something.
And there was another evil bastard that apparently had autism too. I hate all these murderers being diagnosed with autism. It is really scaring me and is another reason why I'm put off telling anyone I have AS, even though I'm not a murderer and never will be.
Why do all these murderers turn out to have an ASD? I mean, surely you've got to be absolutely sick in the head or high on dangerous drugs to be capable of murdering, and autism does not mean one is sick in the head. But all these murderers having autism is making the autistic community look like dangerous, angry loners with severe mental problems.
Who else has autism? Ted Bundy? Jack the Ripper?
I don't want to be on the spectrum any more. ![]()
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... Why do these (insert traits and achievements) turn out to have (insert label)?
Reading about this or that person did a good or bad thing, and mentioned that person has that label.
And so, so, kept reading too many of similar stuff that this person did this and that, and it's a good or bad thing, and because of this label.
So why does these people who have these traits and achievements have that particular labels? Who else has this label? Same people with same traits and achievements?
I don't want/I wanna have that label...! So I can/cannot be associated with these types of people!
... Yeah, this is just how I see it. ![]()
If you don't want autism to be relevant in your life, then make autism less relevant about you than keep poking with whether positively and negatively put it on yourself and others.
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Just think about how many murderers there are out there who don't have any diagnoses and are likely to be NTs... there are people that suck in both groups. If someone mentions a killer with autism, you go and bring up a dozen killers who are NTs.
Should make the person to keep any ridiculous stereotypes they know of to themselves.
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The 1.5% of murderers who are diagnosed with autism seem to receive 98.5% of the publicity.
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Should make the person to keep any ridiculous stereotypes they know of to themselves.
I read though that there is a higher percentage of autistic serial killers than not, which I find hard to believe. But it still freaks me out.
It's not fair. The stigma used to be against schizophrenics, now it's autistics. Why don't they just leave it at "all serial killers are f*****g evil bastards", instead of connecting it with a label?
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Maybe it's time more of us put ourselves out there in the spotlight. There are plenty of autistic people out there shouting loudly about how autism is their superpower, but there don't seem to be so many us just saying quietly, "Hey look, I'm autistic. I don't have a superpower. I'm really just rather ordinary and uninteresting actually. There are some things about the world that cause me problems but you really have nothing to fear from me".
Admittedly I'm not really sure I'm ready to do that myself yet. I was diagnosed two years ago and I'm still struggling with the decision as to whether or not to "out" myself at work. Apparently, some of my colleagues quite like me and I seem to be respected as someone who gets on with the job and is happy to help out other people as much as possible.
Maybe it's time for those of us who are unremarkable and unthreatening to stand up and say, "Hey, this is what we are really like". People will never change their views about us if we hide away. We will merely confirm their suspicions that we are just weird and potentially dangerous loners.
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The 1.5% of murderers who are diagnosed with autism seem to receive 98.5% of the publicity.
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Wouldn't that suggest we're neither under nor over-represented among murderers?
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Murderers are no more alike than are any other group of people.
There are different types of murderers with varying motivations.
Mob hit men, and killers like John Dillenger, were probably ADHD, or NT, and not on the autism spectrum.
Serial killers that I am aware of don't seem to have aspie traits with the exception of the Unabomber Ted Kozinski.
Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gayce, and Daumier, all seemed very NT to me.
However spree killers, or mass murderers, are still another subtype. The Columbine pair seemed to have been NT, but others who followed in their style (Virginia Tech, Aurora, Sandy Hook, etc) do include some guys diagnosed as autistic. So it could be that spree killers are more likely to be asd than the average person.
So the bad news is that SOME kinds of murderers could include a proportion of autistics larger than the proportion of autistics in the general population, but the good news is that other types of murderers could be less likely to be autistic than the general population.
If you break it down there are probably both roses and thorns in this issue.
There are different types of murderers with varying motivations.
Mob hit men, and killers like John Dillenger, were probably ADHD, or NT, and not on the autism spectrum.
Serial killers that I am aware of don't seem to have aspie traits with the exception of the Unabomber Ted Kozinski.
Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gayce, and Daumier, all seemed very NT to me.
However spree killers, or mass murderers, are still another subtype. The Columbine pair seemed to have been NT, but others who followed in their style (Virginia Tech, Aurora, Sandy Hook, etc) do include some guys diagnosed as autistic. So it could be that spree killers are more likely to be asd than the average person.
So the bad news is that SOME kinds of murderers could include a proportion of autistics larger than the proportion of autistics in the general population, but the good news is that other types of murderers could be less likely to be autistic than the general population.
If you break it down there are probably both roses and thorns in this issue.
So more autistic people are serial killers than autistic people that are not? So half of us here could be a potential murderer? Even you? Even me?
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The 1.5% of murderers who are diagnosed with autism seem to receive 98.5% of the publicity.
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It would, indeed.
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The mere fact that science may not yet adequately explain an object, event, or experience does not mean the immediate explanation should automatically default to a conspiratorial, extraterrestrial, paranormal, or supernatural cause.
There are different types of murderers with varying motivations.
Mob hit men, and killers like John Dillenger, were probably ADHD, or NT, and not on the autism spectrum.
Serial killers that I am aware of don't seem to have aspie traits with the exception of the Unabomber Ted Kozinski.
Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gayce, and Daumier, all seemed very NT to me.
However spree killers, or mass murderers, are still another subtype. The Columbine pair seemed to have been NT, but others who followed in their style (Virginia Tech, Aurora, Sandy Hook, etc) do include some guys diagnosed as autistic. So it could be that spree killers are more likely to be asd than the average person.
So the bad news is that SOME kinds of murderers could include a proportion of autistics larger than the proportion of autistics in the general population, but the good news is that other types of murderers could be less likely to be autistic than the general population.
If you break it down there are probably both roses and thorns in this issue.
So more autistic people are serial killers than autistic people that are not? So half of us here could be a potential murderer? Even you? Even me?
I said that serial killers and mass murderers and killers for hire are three very different groups.
Further- that the make up of each group varies, including differing by how "autistic friendly" each type of homicidal profession is.
I said that "serial killers seem to be NT..except for the one exception of the Unabomber".
What part of that do you not understand?
For the third time .. I am treating .serial killers and mass murderers are two different groups.
If you kill a whole lot of people, but do it on the installment plan-one at a time- over a long period of time - you are a "serial killer". Like the Jack the Ripper, or Ted Bundy.
If you kill a whole bunch of folks all at once= then you are a "spree killer" aka "mass murderer". Like the Las Vegas shooter, or the Columbine guys.
Further...we autistics are probably less likely to be serial killers, but more likely to mass murderers than NTs. So it kinda evens out.
Capice?
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Why do you need to get sarcastic whenever someone doesn't understand your posts?
And I will watch the video in the morning. Maybe it might help me understand what I've been worrying about.
I never knew blacks had a stigma to them. I know there is stigma attached to the Muslim community, with people thinking that all Muslims are potential terrorists.
It's so horrible to be associated with a group that has such bad and shameful stigma attached to it. But it doesn't take much for stigma to get around and believed by the general public. It just freaks me out that I am stuck with a brain disorder with the frightening "lack of empathy" trait listed in public information about the disorder, because many people think that having a lack of empathy means you are a cold-hearted psychopath capable of shooting or stabbing innocent people or animals and feeling no guilt. And to top it all off there's hate sites like heartlessaspergers.com that just adds to the stigma.
It just haunts me.
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And I will watch the video in the morning. Maybe it might help me understand what I've been worrying about.
I never knew blacks had a stigma to them. I know there is stigma attached to the Muslim community, with people thinking that all Muslims are potential terrorists.
It's so horrible to be associated with a group that has such bad and shameful stigma attached to it. But it doesn't take much for stigma to get around and believed by the general public. It just freaks me out that I am stuck with a brain disorder with the frightening "lack of empathy" trait listed in public information about the disorder, because many people think that having a lack of empathy means you are a cold-hearted psychopath capable of shooting or stabbing innocent people or animals and feeling no guilt. And to top it all off there's hate sites like heartlessaspergers.com that just adds to the stigma.
It just haunts me.
I'm not sure heartlessaspergers is a hate site. Folks with ASD can be very difficult to form relationships with and one would expect those who had bad experiences to need somewhere to vent and express their frustrations. It's obviously a biased website, but then again, so is the L&D section on here. It's useful to get insight into mistakes other folks with ASD make so that one can be more mindful of those patterns of behaviour in their own lives and relationships.
I guess the difference between perceiving it as hate vs. just negative feedback is how personally one takes it. I really try to keep hostile criticism at arm's length so I can try to make the most beneficial use of it without getting hurt.
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