Why do things never go my way?

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05 Jan 2020, 7:42 pm

Things never go my way when I go out socially. It’s like I have a sign on me everyone but myself can see that tells others to avoid me. I used to think when I didn’t get to join in that it just wasn’t my “time” yet and that eventually either I would grow up to be extroverted on my own or “God’s plan” would make everything I want happen. When I turned 17 and things weren’t changing, I started to develop clinical depression and it still plagues me to this day.

If I go to a Meet Up event, I get pushed to the wayside and the few conversations I have fizzle out really fast either because the other person loses interest or think I say something wrong and move away from me. If I go to a music show, I am around others but not with them. They are smoking, drinking, and making out with their lovers, even finding places to have sex. If I go to an anime convention, it’s the same. Other goers are with friends doing things like dancing, playing video games, participating in LARPing, and even hooking up for sex. Even if I go to a gym, I am alone while others have company with them. The men are also flirting on the women and vice versa but I am invisible to the women.

When I didn’t get better soon after the depression kicked in, maybe that meant I am supposed to suffer until I die?



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05 Jan 2020, 8:28 pm

I don't know the answer why Marknis, but I'm thinking of you and I hope things improve. I know it's been really hard for you and you feel overwhelmed. That must be really frustrating.

Hugs and positive vibes are being sent your way.


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05 Jan 2020, 11:56 pm

Marknis wrote:
Things never go my way when I go out socially. It’s like I have a sign on me everyone but myself can see that tells others to avoid me. I used to think when I didn’t get to join in that it just wasn’t my “time” yet and that eventually either I would grow up to be extroverted on my own or “God’s plan” would make everything I want happen. When I turned 17 and things weren’t changing, I started to develop clinical depression and it still plagues me to this day.

If I go to a Meet Up event, I get pushed to the wayside and the few conversations I have fizzle out really fast either because the other person loses interest or think I say something wrong and move away from me. If I go to a music show, I am around others but not with them. They are smoking, drinking, and making out with their lovers, even finding places to have sex. If I go to an anime convention, it’s the same. Other goers are with friends doing things like dancing, playing video games, participating in LARPing, and even hooking up for sex. Even if I go to a gym, I am alone while others have company with them. The men are also flirting on the women and vice versa but I am invisible to the women.

When I didn’t get better soon after the depression kicked in, maybe that meant I am supposed to suffer until I die?


Socializing at the gym is easy, bro.

- Pick up some weights and exercise - hit the weight-bench and do some reps.

When you use the weight bench, spot the other people who use it and have them spot you.

While you do this, make small talk with them about stuff you like and stuff they like.

Talk about your fitness-goals and vice-versa - you'll see how easy it is to make friends. :D

Gyms are great for that, bro. :thumleft:



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06 Jan 2020, 6:30 am

Probably due to your lack of social skills. If you talk about things that people don't find interesting or they find difficult, they'll naturally try to find someone else to talk to. Learn to see when the topic you're talking about starts to feel off to people, and then try to switch to another topic, preferably one that you actually want to talk about. Learn to control your body language as well so that you don't look too hostile or otherwise negative.

Few general rules when it comes to conversation with people you don't know well:
- Avoid politics and religion, for these topics can start fights. Even if someone else brings it up, don't go too deep in to it.
- Ask people questions about themselves, but be careful not to pry too much. In general, if someone asks you something, it's safe to ask the same back. If you'd feel uncomfortable being asked about some subject, you shouldn't ask about it, either.
- Have a conversation, not a lecture. Make sure others get a chance to talk too. (Wish someone had flat out told this to me as a kid.)
- Avoid black humor among people you don't know well. You never know who you could be accidentally hitting in to a sore spot.
- Don't complain. If someone says you don't look too good or that you look down, you can give vague answers like you're still recovering from a cold or that your day hasn't been the best possible, but don't start a lecture of how life sucks and everyone around you is horrible and everything is unfair. You have the right to feel that way if you want to, but burdening other people with those opinions isn't a good way to make friends.



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06 Jan 2020, 5:18 pm

Fireblossom has some really good tips. I would add that when I was about 17 I had no social skills whatsoever, I could only talk about my special interests or I wouldn't talk at all. I really felt in the similar boat as you, alone, unable to connect with others.

What worked for me was developing a sense of humor and better conversational skills by watching a lot of sitcoms and I would practice first online through instant messaging. I found talking to others with mental illness, specifically social anxiety to be more accepting/less judgmental than people with zero issues. I'd find common interests to talk about, then meet in person. I built my social skills online first before practicing them more in person. Online you can have a little more time to think what you are going to say in instant messaging. Many people meet others through Facebook, or social media of some sort anyway. Once someone is more interested in you online, you can be more of yourself when you meet them in person. Without the internet I wouldn't have had any girlfriends/boyfriends or really any friends whatsover. I'd also add that I avoid groups of people, the fewer the better. If you are the only other person in a conversation, its a lot harder for that other person to ignore you since you are the only one to talk to.

The more you practice, the less anxiety you'll have and the easier it will be to think of things to say. Once you stop caring so much about what others think of you should find it easier to attract others as you'll be more confident in who you are. You can always practice small talk with clerks or sales people at stores, and if you mess up, no big deal. It doesn't matter at the end of the day what they think of you.



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07 Jan 2020, 5:10 pm

Sounds like there’s a lot more fun things to do where you live compared to where I live. I would have fun doing those things you mentioned even if I was alone. There isn’t much to do in my town. It’s boring.



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07 Jan 2020, 5:20 pm

Also, when we were talking in private I noticed you liked to have intellectual debates. I’m not good at that. So I didn’t respond after a while. The topics you were bringing up were also kind of depressing. My life is already so hard that I like to bury my head in the sand and think happy bunny thoughts. Probably most people are the same. If you are being too negative it will push them away. Talk about happier things.



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07 Jan 2020, 5:26 pm

I’ve been living on my own for years now and haven’t made any friends. Lots of people with autism are lonely. I wish neuro typical people were more understanding and accepting of us.



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08 Jan 2020, 6:25 am

Sarahsmith wrote:
I’ve been living on my own for years now and haven’t made any friends. Lots of people with autism are lonely. I wish neuro typical people were more understanding and accepting of us.


Well to be fair, as I read this forum I sometimes feel like some autistic people here really should stop being so narrow minded and accept that neurotypicals have the right to live their lives their way, too. Acceptance goes both ways.



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08 Jan 2020, 9:36 am

Fireblossom wrote:
Sarahsmith wrote:
I’ve been living on my own for years now and haven’t made any friends. Lots of people with autism are lonely. I wish neurotypical people were more understanding and accepting of us.
Well to be fair, as I read this forum I sometimes feel like some autistic people here really should stop being so narrow minded and accept that neurotypicals have the right to live their lives their way, too. Acceptance goes both ways.
From another perspective, a neurotypical person might not even notice someone who usually keeps to themselves, makes little or no eye-contact, and rarely (if ever) initiates conversations.  It's like someone who has never given out their unlisted number sitting at home, alone, in the dark, while waiting for someone else to call them.

You'll never be noticed if you never put yourself "out there", but it also helps if there is something about you that others find interesting -- skills, talents, education, et cetera.


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08 Jan 2020, 9:40 am

The "Most Interesting Man in the World" is a guy who drinks too much Dos Equis beer.

And he's a man who is either middle-aged, or elderly.



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08 Jan 2020, 9:41 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
The "Most Interesting Man in the World" is a guy who drinks too much Dos Equis beer. And he's a man who is either middle-aged, or elderly.
That's just a Madison Avenue construct intended to get more gullible, lonely people to buy more beer.


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08 Jan 2020, 11:55 am

Fnord wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Sarahsmith wrote:
I’ve been living on my own for years now and haven’t made any friends. Lots of people with autism are lonely. I wish neurotypical people were more understanding and accepting of us.
Well to be fair, as I read this forum I sometimes feel like some autistic people here really should stop being so narrow minded and accept that neurotypicals have the right to live their lives their way, too. Acceptance goes both ways.
From another perspective, a neurotypical person might not even notice someone who usually keeps to themselves, makes little or no eye-contact, and rarely (if ever) initiates conversations.  It's like someone who has never given out their unlisted number sitting at home, alone, in the dark, while waiting for someone else to call them.

You'll never be noticed if you never put yourself "out there", but it also helps if there is something about you that others find interesting -- skills, talents, education, et cetera.


I actually try to interact with others but the constant disappointments discourage me and make me withdraw.



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08 Jan 2020, 12:03 pm

Markins you write good posts. You should start a channel on Youtube and describe how Aspergers has made your life a living nightmare. Aspergers destroys lives it makes it hard for us to make friends, form relationships or find employment. The entire world rejecting us for our condition is unfair. Having Aspergers often comes with other issues including depression, anxiety, sensory issues, weird interests, robotic voice, lack of empathy, etc.



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08 Jan 2020, 6:50 pm

Fnord wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Sarahsmith wrote:
I’ve been living on my own for years now and haven’t made any friends. Lots of people with autism are lonely. I wish neurotypical people were more understanding and accepting of us.
Well to be fair, as I read this forum I sometimes feel like some autistic people here really should stop being so narrow minded and accept that neurotypicals have the right to live their lives their way, too. Acceptance goes both ways.
From another perspective, a neurotypical person might not even notice someone who usually keeps to themselves, makes little or no eye-contact, and rarely (if ever) initiates conversations.  It's like someone who has never given out their unlisted number sitting at home, alone, in the dark, while waiting for someone else to call them.

You'll never be noticed if you never put yourself "out there", but it also helps if there is something about you that others find interesting -- skills, talents, education, et cetera.


.....And that would be me. Waiting at home for a friend to magically appear. Yes putting ones self out there is good advice.

It's too bad we cant talk to Mark in person to see what he's doing wrong. All I know is he sent me a few private messages and they were a little depressing.

As I've said Marknis, maybe people would be more accepting of you if you were a little more positive when you talk to them. And I know people shold be allowed to express themselves and talk about whatever they want to. But people are too finicky about what they want to hear.

I had a guy show interest in talking to me at first but then for some reason started ghosting me. I don't know what I did wrong. But I do know when we did talk I had to do most of the talking and it would make me uncomfortable after a few minutes and then I would say I had to go. I don't know maybe we just didn't click. But if he expected me to do all the talking I dont care if he decided to ghost me because that would suck. But I don't get why he rejected me. I see that other aspies have the same problem with being rejected. It hurts.



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12 Jan 2020, 1:56 pm

If TMS can truly help me, it can’t come soon enough.