What if I'm really a heartless psychopath?

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25 Oct 2020, 5:10 am

After reading those biased sites against autism, I'm starting to worry that I am not the thoughtful, understanding, kind, nice person people are always saying I am. I keep questioning myself, focusing too much on my empathy skills, and just worrying about it.

What if I'm really a cold-hearted, callous, selfish psychopath who has only learnt how to come across as nice, just so that I can get on with people and prove these biased sites wrong? Ugh, I feel so dirty thinking about that, it makes me shudder. :cry:

I may be good at maintaining a healthy relationship with an NT spouse, but back when I was in my late teens/early 20s I was a nightmare to live with for my family. :cry: :oops: I used to have outbursts that upset the whole family, and these occured at random times, causing my family to walk on eggshells around me. My emotions were just out of control; I was angry, depressed and self-loathing. I had misophonia so bad that I'd get really agitated at certain sounds, and I ruled the household in some ways. So I was just like the Aspies those women were describing on those sites. :cry: I am better to live with these days but I don't know if it's because I've matured or if it's because I'm on Sertraline. I'm terrified to come off Sertraline in case I go back to being that horrid nightmare I once was. :cry: :cry: :cry:

I feel so ashamed and embarrassed of being on the spectrum, thanks to those stupid sites. :cry:


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25 Oct 2020, 5:17 am

If you really were a heartless psychopath, the possibility of being one wouldn't worry you at all. Psychopathy is a lot about not feeling bad for being bad.


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25 Oct 2020, 5:52 am

magz wrote:
If you really were a heartless psychopath, the possibility of being one wouldn't worry you at all. Psychopathy is a lot about not feeling bad for being bad.


THIS!! !

I understand where you're coming from, though. I worry about things like that as well. I couldn't read much on several sites of that sort because it would make my anxiety/depression (because the one feeds the other, which then feeds the other, which then...) just spiral out of control, and even though I remember things I'll start doubting my memories or thinking that my perception was off and THIS is the way it MUST have BEEN and... Well, at that point nothing's off the table, it gets worse, and I end up... well, I "end up" considering 5150'ing myself, after spending some time in a fairly darker place usually. So, yeah, I stay away from those as much as I can.

And, as above, if you were really that person, you absolutely would not worry about it. You might even take pride in it. Certainly, the possibility wouldn't bother you to the extent that your post makes it clear that it does.



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25 Oct 2020, 6:02 am

magz wrote:
If you really were a heartless psychopath, the possibility of being one wouldn't worry you at all. Psychopathy is a lot about not feeling bad for being bad.
This as well. This is basically what my psychologist said to me when I broached the subject. I still think she was wrong sometimes. :(



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25 Oct 2020, 6:17 am

Joe90 wrote:
After reading those biased sites against autism, I'm starting to worry that I am not the thoughtful, understanding, kind, nice person people are always saying I am. I keep questioning myself, focusing too much on my empathy skills, and just worrying about it.

What if I'm really a cold-hearted, callous, selfish psychopath who has only learnt how to come across as nice, just so that I can get on with people and prove these biased sites wrong? Ugh, I feel so dirty thinking about that, it makes me shudder. :cry:

I may be good at maintaining a healthy relationship with an NT spouse, but back when I was in my late teens/early 20s I was a nightmare to live with for my family. :cry: :oops: I used to have outbursts that upset the whole family, and these occured at random times, causing my family to walk on eggshells around me. My emotions were just out of control; I was angry, depressed and self-loathing. I had misophonia so bad that I'd get really agitated at certain sounds, and I ruled the household in some ways. So I was just like the Aspies those women were describing on those sites. :cry: I am better to live with these days but I don't know if it's because I've matured or if it's because I'm on Sertraline. I'm terrified to come off Sertraline in case I go back to being that horrid nightmare I once was. :cry: :cry: :cry:

I feel so ashamed and embarrassed of being on the spectrum, thanks to those stupid sites. :cry:

And...what if that is true should it really matter now? Even if you where just a I wont say psychopath but say you where a sociopath that is more common and you did learn those things....that can still be ok. I met a girl before who was a sociopath( at least she said that) but she was chill like yeah she just struggled with some emotion stuff but she for sure wasn't like a bad person. I have also heard sometimes people with more sociopathic tendencies actually make good paramedics because they don't get as freaked out by the peoples injuries so like they can just help the person without getting freaked out themselves.

So say you are a bit on that side, there is still value for that , just don't obsess over serial killing.../S that is just a bad joke. lol.


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25 Oct 2020, 6:18 am

magz wrote:
If you really were a heartless psychopath, the possibility of being one wouldn't worry you at all. Psychopathy is a lot about not feeling bad for being bad.


Firstly, to the OP: "There, there". :mrgreen:

Secondly, what she said. 8)

The definition of a psychopath is someone not having a conscience.
Not feeling guilt.

Case closed. 8)



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25 Oct 2020, 6:20 am

OkaySometimes wrote:
THIS!! !


What, where, who?!
Don't SHOUT!!
You startled me. :mrgreen:



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25 Oct 2020, 6:24 am

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magz wrote:
If you really were a heartless psychopath, the possibility of being one wouldn't worry you at all. Psychopathy is a lot about not feeling bad for being bad.
This as well. This is basically what my psychologist said to me when I broached the subject. I still think she was wrong sometimes. :(


Having moments where you can compartmentalize your empathy and act ruthlessly isn't the same as being predisposed to that being your base mode of operation. The former is a coping and survival strategy that one will turn off as soon as it is safe to, the latter is more dangerous.

Although, if that latter is caused by formative circumstances that basically match the former until 'turning it off' ceased to be an option, it does make you have a bit of empathy for one trapped in that cycle. Especially if they realize it and want out but lack the ability to make it happen.


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25 Oct 2020, 6:47 am

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And...what if that is true should it really matter now? Even if you where just a I wont say psychopath but say you where a sociopath that is more common and you did learn those things....that can still be ok. I met a girl before who was a sociopath( at least she said that) but she was chill like yeah she just struggled with some emotion stuff but she for sure wasn't like a bad person. I have also heard sometimes people with more sociopathic tendencies actually make good paramedics because they don't get as freaked out by the peoples injuries so like they can just help the person without getting freaked out themselves.


I feel emotions rather intensely (hence the outbursts I had), so I know that if I worked in a hospital dealing with ill people I would be crying a lot, and I could not do that job where you have to phone patient's relatives to tell them that their loved one has passed away. I just could not keep that 'tough' sort of tone, I would absolutely dread phoning them, their emotions would make me cry more than the patient who passed away (although that would make me cry too).

But I still worry in case those sites are right, as I used to be a nightmare to live with. My emotions were just too much and I couldn't control them.


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25 Oct 2020, 6:53 am

On the internet, there are all kinds of claims, most of them false, some harmful.
I hope you don't worry for what if flat earthers are right.
An ASD person can be hard to live with but for reasons completely different from psychopathy.


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25 Oct 2020, 6:55 am

When you have psychologists/therapists pushing the 'If you want to be a good person...' line,as I did,it can be easy to slip into thinking you're a bit of a s**t. Especially if your self esteem is quite fragile.

Ironically though being told that puts the psychologist/therapist as the one needing to improve as a person. It's a way of putting a person down when that person actually needs help to cope better with difficult/stressful situations . It's destructive rather than constructive.


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25 Oct 2020, 7:02 am

magz wrote:
On the internet, there are all kinds of claims, most of them false, some harmful.
I hope you don't worry for what if flat earthers are right.
An ASD person can be hard to live with but for reasons completely different from psychopathy.


I don't really think about the earth much, it's a proven fact that all planets, including Earth, are round balls. So I don't know where flat-earthers have gotten that idea from.
But I was diagnosed with Asperger's and seeing all these sites where people who have been in a relationship with an Aspie for 15, 20 or even 30 years, and have become 'traumatized' from the Aspie-ness of the partner, it makes me feel like maybe...I can't think of a way to finish that sentence without somebody taking it the wrong way. While I think that these NTs are snowflakes for becoming so traumatized by their partner's general Aspie symptoms, I still know that I used to be a nightmare to live with. My poor mum. And dad. And brother. Thankfully they're not 'traumatized', but it's a wonder how they're not. I think I'm the one who is traumatized here.


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And...what if that is true should it really matter now? Even if you where just a I wont say psychopath but say you where a sociopath that is more common and you did learn those things....that can still be ok. I met a girl before who was a sociopath( at least she said that) but she was chill like yeah she just struggled with some emotion stuff but she for sure wasn't like a bad person. I have also heard sometimes people with more sociopathic tendencies actually make good paramedics because they don't get as freaked out by the peoples injuries so like they can just help the person without getting freaked out themselves.


I feel emotions rather intensely (hence the outbursts I had), so I know that if I worked in a hospital dealing with ill people I would be crying a lot, and I could not do that job where you have to phone patient's relatives to tell them that their loved one has passed away. I just could not keep that 'tough' sort of tone, I would absolutely dread phoning them, their emotions would make me cry more than the patient who passed away (although that would make me cry too).

But I still worry in case those sites are right, as I used to be a nightmare to live with. My emotions were just too much and I couldn't control them.


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25 Oct 2020, 7:53 am

Put it this way. There are more NT's who are psychopaths then those on the spectrum because of the percentages of population who are NT's compared to the percentages of people who are not.

Uhmmm. Don't psycopaths have something to do with riding bicycles down cycle paths? :P What is a psycopath anyway?


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25 Oct 2020, 8:00 am

Joe90 wrote:
I think I'm the one who is traumatized here.

It's likely (hug).
Inability to communicate with your partner for decades may give a strain on one's mental health - it doesn't mean that person had any ill intentions.
Thinking of my problematic relationships, I prefer a term "unhealthy patterns" over "abuse".
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But many people trapped in unhealthy patterns want to blame someone or something. Partner's diagnosis or a child's disability come quite handy in such cases.


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25 Oct 2020, 8:08 am

Pepe wrote:
OkaySometimes wrote:
THIS!! !


What, where, who?!
Don't SHOUT!!
You startled me. :mrgreen:


Sorry, all I meant was that I emphatically agree with what magz posted. I sometimes do all caps for emphasis, mostly because I touch type and hate taking my fingers off the home keys to hit the "bold" or "italic" button. It's lazy, but... well, there's not any justification, it's just me being communicatorily lazy. Sorry about that.