I need a hug, essentially always

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02 Nov 2020, 11:18 pm

I feel like to generally feel stable I need considerably more hugs than the average person. Except I also don't like strangers hugging me. To my understanding, it is not uncommon for people on the spectrum to be adverse to touch. Curious if this is a dichotomy that anyone else can relate to?



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03 Nov 2020, 4:09 am

Do you like touch and associate it with emotional response?
Was it more to do with the physical pressure or psychic presence?
Which of these bits mattered more?


More or less, I do. Just not necessarily daily...
But I only allowed a very few to touch me.
Everyone else just doesn't feel right; awkward at best, tolerable for the wrong reasons.


My dichotomy lies with the need for pressure and my overall distrust of human presences.

The physical part of me is a bit welcoming -- who wouldn't likely mind a tap or a squeeze.
But the less physical part of me in my head, is always on guard and a bit wary to anyone who isn't allowed to touch me.


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03 Nov 2020, 6:13 am

adromedanblackhole wrote:
I feel like to generally feel stable I need considerably more hugs than the average person. Except I also don't like strangers hugging me. To my understanding, it is not uncommon for people on the spectrum to be adverse to touch. Curious if this is a dichotomy that anyone else can relate to?


I think a lot of people on the spectrum have a problem with hugging.

Me, personally?
I have never been a casual physically hugging type of person.
I avoid it if I can.
If it was my significant other, it wouldn't be a problem.
I would be all over them. :mrgreen:

Thankfully, the pandemic has allowed us to avoid this behaviour in casual situations.
I don't even like handshakes, and that was before the pandemic.

What about virtual hugs?
Some people actually have a problem with them.



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03 Nov 2020, 11:20 am

I don’t generally like actual hugs, but I love giving virtual ones, so here, have a big dragon hug from me :)

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03 Nov 2020, 11:31 am

When an infant is put to bed, many times the infant is wrapped tightly with a blanket immobilizing the arms to keep the infant thrashing around at night. Dr. Harvey Karp is an American pediatrician and an Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at the Keck School of Medicine at the University of Southern California and wrote “Happiest Baby on the Block” describes the technique he uses to calm a crying child and prepare it for sleep. "You need to be imitating the mother's womb.” One of the techniques is swaddling. Swaddling recreates the snug packaging inside the womb and is the cornerstone of calming. Swaddling keeps your baby's arms from flailing and prevents startling, which can start the cycle of fussing and crying all over again. It also lets your baby know that it's time to sleep.

Both these doctors recommend very similar techniques to calm stress in a core brain, which is applying pressure to hold the arms close to the trunk of the body.

Temple Grandin is a prominent author and speaker on both autism and animal behavior. Today she is a professor of Animal Science at Colorado State University. She is a visual thinker Aspie. When she was attending college, she developed and patented a hug machine, also called a hug box, a squeeze machine, or a squeeze box. This device is a deep-pressure device designed to calm hypersensitive persons, usually individuals with autism spectrum disorders. It is a therapeutic, stress-relieving device to help overcome problems with an oversensitivity to touch. She describes the logic supporting the device as follows:

Deep touch pressure is the type of surface pressure that is exerted in most types of firm touching, holding, stroking, petting of animals, or swaddling. In contrast, light touch pressure is a more superficial stimulation of the skin, such as tickling, very light touch, or moving hairs on the skin. In animals, the tickle of a fly landing on the skin may cause a cow to kick, but the firm touch of the farmer's hands quiets her. Occupational therapists have observed that a very light touch alerts the nervous system, but deep pressure is relaxing and calming.

This is one reason why weighted blankets provide relief for many Aspies.


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03 Nov 2020, 1:04 pm

Edna3362 wrote:
Do you like touch and associate it with emotional response?
Was it more to do with the physical pressure or psychic presence?
Which of these bits mattered more?

All of the above, I feel all these qualities in a hug

Edna3362 wrote:
More or less, I do. Just not necessarily daily...
But I only allowed a very few to touch me.
Everyone else just doesn't feel right; awkward at best, tolerable for the wrong reasons.

Yes, I do not like hugs from everyone mostly because the vast majority of mankind I read more like a scheming, plotting animal and I don't want to get near them


Edna3362 wrote:
My dichotomy lies with the need for pressure and my overall distrust of human presences.

Yes I very much relate to this statement



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03 Nov 2020, 1:05 pm

dragonsanddemons wrote:
I don’t generally like actual hugs, but I love giving virtual ones, so here, have a big dragon hug from me :)

((((((((((adromedanblackhole))))))))))

Aaaaaaaaaaaw thank you



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03 Nov 2020, 1:09 pm

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When an infant is put to bed, many times the infant is wrapped tightly with a blanket immobilizing the arms to keep the infant thrashing around at night. Dr. Harvey Karp is an American pediatrician and an Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at the Keck School of Medicine at the University of Southern California and wrote “Happiest Baby on the Block” describes the technique he uses to calm a crying child and prepare it for sleep. "You need to be imitating the mother's womb.” One of the techniques is swaddling. Swaddling recreates the snug packaging inside the womb and is the cornerstone of calming. Swaddling keeps your baby's arms from flailing and prevents startling, which can start the cycle of fussing and crying all over again. It also lets your baby know that it's time to sleep.

Both these doctors recommend very similar techniques to calm stress in a core brain, which is applying pressure to hold the arms close to the trunk of the body.

Temple Grandin is a prominent author and speaker on both autism and animal behavior. Today she is a professor of Animal Science at Colorado State University. She is a visual thinker Aspie. When she was attending college, she developed and patented a hug machine, also called a hug box, a squeeze machine, or a squeeze box. This device is a deep-pressure device designed to calm hypersensitive persons, usually individuals with autism spectrum disorders. It is a therapeutic, stress-relieving device to help overcome problems with an oversensitivity to touch. She describes the logic supporting the device as follows:

Deep touch pressure is the type of surface pressure that is exerted in most types of firm touching, holding, stroking, petting of animals, or swaddling. In contrast, light touch pressure is a more superficial stimulation of the skin, such as tickling, very light touch, or moving hairs on the skin. In animals, the tickle of a fly landing on the skin may cause a cow to kick, but the firm touch of the farmer's hands quiets her. Occupational therapists have observed that a very light touch alerts the nervous system, but deep pressure is relaxing and calming.

This is one reason why weighted blankets provide relief for many Aspies.

But I like the comfort of a person too, it's just so few people are people I would trust a hug from



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04 Nov 2020, 3:59 pm

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Calming Effect of Deep Touch Pressure
Deep touch pressure refers to a form of tactile sensory input which is often provided by firm holding, firm stroking, cuddling, hugging, and squeezing. Deep touch pressure acts as a calming or focusing agent to increase activity in the parasympathetic division, and lower activity in the sympathetic division of the Autonomic Nervous System (ANS) (Hsin-Yung Chen et. al., 2011). This opposite movement of activity in the two divisions together work to amongst other things, increase endorphin levels (happy hormones) and decrease heart rate and blood pressure (indicators of anxiety and stress). Deep touch pressure also causes the release of both serotonin and dopamine in the brain. These are "happy" neurotransmitters and produce a feeling of calm within our nervous system. https://www.mytjacket.com/the-science-behind-it.html



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04 Nov 2020, 6:14 pm

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Calming Effect of Deep Touch Pressure
Deep touch pressure refers to a form of tactile sensory input which is often provided by firm holding, firm stroking, cuddling, hugging, and squeezing. Deep touch pressure acts as a calming or focusing agent to increase activity in the parasympathetic division, and lower activity in the sympathetic division of the Autonomic Nervous System (ANS) (Hsin-Yung Chen et. al., 2011). This opposite movement of activity in the two divisions together work to amongst other things, increase endorphin levels (happy hormones) and decrease heart rate and blood pressure (indicators of anxiety and stress). Deep touch pressure also causes the release of both serotonin and dopamine in the brain. These are "happy" neurotransmitters and produce a feeling of calm within our nervous system. https://www.mytjacket.com/the-science-behind-it.html

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04 Nov 2020, 6:38 pm

I have a copper back brace that I wear for compression. It does not replace my need for a hug though.



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04 Nov 2020, 7:20 pm

adromedanblackhole wrote:
I have a copper back brace that I wear for compression. It does not replace my need for a hug though.


If you post yourself to Australia, cyber and I can tag-team hug you. :mrgreen:



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04 Nov 2020, 8:04 pm

Pepe wrote:
adromedanblackhole wrote:
I have a copper back brace that I wear for compression. It does not replace my need for a hug though.


If you post yourself to Australia, cyber and I can tag-team hug you. :mrgreen:

Why is everyone in Australia...



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04 Nov 2020, 8:28 pm

adromedanblackhole wrote:
Pepe wrote:
adromedanblackhole wrote:
I have a copper back brace that I wear for compression. It does not replace my need for a hug though.


If you post yourself to Australia, cyber and I can tag-team hug you. :mrgreen:

Why is everyone in Australia...


I don't think there are that many.
Maybe most of them just lurk?



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06 Nov 2020, 5:12 pm

When I most "need a hug" is unfortunately exactly when I'm so strung out I'm likely to start flailing around and smashing things if someone so much as touches me. It's a problem.


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09 Nov 2020, 12:06 pm

When I was stressed, panicky, sad, lonely, scared, ANY form of constriction or restriction would bring on a REALLY bad panic attack.


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