Generalising/personalising
All my life I've had this problem but it's got worse with my social anxiety or maybe it was what caused it in the first place?
When I read things which don't actually apply to me but which are written to apply to me, or things I disagree with when I think about it, in that moment I internalise it. And if I'm at a low ebb 'that moment' isn't a moment, it's a long period of time.
I wish I knew how to stop doing that.
Examples will mostly make me sound like a bad person. But these beliefs are not things I think on any rational level, not thoughts that come from me, they actually kind of scare me cos often times they're opposed to my values.
And whenever that person knows I feel that way, I get told 'ooh hit a nerve I must be right'.
An innocent enough example is: when I was at school if kids in my class were naughty some of my teachers would say 'you are all guilty and will have to stay after school'. Even if I had nothing to do with it, I felt like my teacher had confirmed I was a bad child. Obviously only some of the kids in that class were naughty, not all of them.
What I want is to be able to put up boundaries between me and people I disagree with where my own thoughts/disagreements go.
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Collective punishment is a tool used to create a sense of mutual responsibility, to divest a person of their sense of individuality and separateness and make them work together as a united body. An army would not work well without this sense of "all for one and one for all."
The downside I suppose is that it could result in mass institutionalization and mindless uniformity such as portrayed in Pink Floyd's " Another Brick In The Wall?"
Of course a child who has done nothing wrong, has received no effective explanation as to why he/she is being punished will be totally bewildered and confused when given collective punishment. So many adults today have been permanently scarred by these archaic, depersonalizing educational methods that were imposed on them in their childhood, my sympathies to the OP and all who bear the scars of insensitive educators.
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Collective punishment is a tool used to create a sense of mutual responsibility, to divest a person of their sense of individuality and separateness and make them work together as a united body. An army would not work well without this sense of "all for one and one for all."
The downside I suppose is that it could result in mass institutionalization and mindless uniformity such as portrayed in Pink Floyd's " Another Brick In The Wall?"
Of course a child who has done nothing wrong, has received no effective explanation as to why he/she is being punished will be totally bewildered and confused when given collective punishment. So many adults today have been permanently scarred by these archaic, depersonalizing educational methods that were imposed on them in their childhood, my sympathies to the OP and all who bear the scars of insensitive educators.
I do this with my kids, when one does something they were not supposed to do, they both get in trouble because neither of them will tell the truth. They both deny they did it so they are both punished. This keeps them from doing it again. This also creates them to be mad at each other so they won't do it again.
Don't want to get in trouble, don't do the crime. Oh no, that person is mad at you because you got them into trouble and now they are shunning you, don't do the crime.
As a child we don't get it and this is unfair but when you have kids or have to work with them, you finally get it now and get the point of this. My mom did the same thing to my brothers and I and it made us all behave because we didn't want to get a consequence, plus this made us tell each other to behave and follow our mom's rules she had given us. We would also get mad at the sibling who did the crime because it made our mom take our Happy Meals away including the toy and threw them in the trash.
I hope this made sense for the OP.
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That might make sense if it's 2 kids in a family but doesn't make sense in a classroom of 31 kids.
It is possible the 31 kids do not all know what is going on with every single member especially if one of the kids is autistic. A class isn't a hive mind.
I don't think it's even great behaviour for you to impress on siblings. Maybe one of the kids is scared? Like I was? I wasn't going to pressurise kids I'm scared of.
In any case, this is only one example. The nicest one I can think of as to how my mind works because literally all the bigotry and assumptions in it are built up against 'the kids in this class' rather than for eg 'the Irish diaspora' or 'autistic people' or 'lgbt people'.
What I need to stop is having internalised bigotry just because I know the external bigotries exist. And stop taking people seriously if they speak in black and white terms about what 'everyone' should do or is - it is very hard to say somehting that everyone on the planet should do, shouldn't do is easier (nobody should be a murderer for eg), isn't is easier (no human has four legs) but 'is' and 'should be'? Those are the generalisations that stress me out.
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Scary thing is I think if I lived over there & was Latino, I would have sought out and internalised what he said about Latinos.
Not all the time just when I was feeling particularly weak.
That's the thing about it - it only happens when I'm at a low ebb then I seek it out. It's the opposite to what I believe when I'm feeling strong about myself. It's the opposite to my genuine beliefs.
I honestly feel like a lot of it started with the threats I got in adolescence.
I don't do it about groups I'm not personally part of. Because it's not about hating others, it's about hating myself.
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What do you do when no one confesses to the "crime?"
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Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
Personally, if school taught me anything it was "if you mess up, don't get caught" and it caused a significant amount of anxiety. I remember accidentally breaking a binder folder and I was too scared to admit to it, so I put it back on the shelf. Someone else came along and opened the binder, which the teacher saw and she saw that it was broken so she yelled at that person. I felt some guilt for not admitting that it was actually me, but my mouth dried up and I just couldn't.
I learnt to hide my mistakes because being confronted scared the living daylights out of me. Granted, this was a trauma based fear based on the worry "what if my small mistakes cause someone to harm me or they lose their mind and it's my fault?" because I had some rough experiences early on. So I definitely worried about being a bad kid and I thought it was essentially something I was doomed to become or be. Which was definitely linked to my counsellor telling me that I was going to be a screw-up. The counselling just left me with bad anxiety about making mistakes and I had to relearn that it was OK to mess up and that it didn't make me a bad kid / bad person.
My internalising of remarks to either groups I am a part of, or groups I am not, tend to occur in the form of intrusive thoughts. Reasonably common, I've heard at least 30% of the population reports having intrusive thoughts. They used to bother me a lot, but I've learnt to deal with them. I acknowledge that they aren't what I truly believe, and sometimes mock the absurdity of them. Such as, seeing a mother and child and having an intrusive thought of "If I punched this mother her kid would probably cry", definitely not something I would actually do so I respond to myself "haha, as you do (sarcasm), intrusive thoughts are so strange" and continue on with my day. Likewise "Of course you'd mess up on this, you're *insert physical or emotional trait here*", "nah, I just messed up because of *reason* not because I'm *descriptor*". I find trying to block it out makes it worse, so I acknowledge it but don't let it rule over me. These thoughts can also be negative things about a group am I not a part of, but I don't actually believe.
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I learnt to hide my mistakes because being confronted scared the living daylights out of me. Granted, this was a trauma based fear based on the worry "what if my small mistakes cause someone to harm me or they lose their mind and it's my fault?" because I had some rough experiences early on. So I definitely worried about being a bad kid and I thought it was essentially something I was doomed to become or be. Which was definitely linked to my counsellor telling me that I was going to be a screw-up. The counselling just left me with bad anxiety about making mistakes and I had to relearn that it was OK to mess up and that it didn't make me a bad kid / bad person.
My internalising of remarks to either groups I am a part of, or groups I am not, tend to occur in the form of intrusive thoughts. Reasonably common, I've heard at least 30% of the population reports having intrusive thoughts. They used to bother me a lot, but I've learnt to deal with them. I acknowledge that they aren't what I truly believe, and sometimes mock the absurdity of them. Such as, seeing a mother and child and having an intrusive thought of "If I punched this mother her kid would probably cry", definitely not something I would actually do so I respond to myself "haha, as you do (sarcasm), intrusive thoughts are so strange" and continue on with my day. Likewise "Of course you'd mess up on this, you're *insert physical or emotional trait here*", "nah, I just messed up because of *reason* not because I'm *descriptor*". I find trying to block it out makes it worse, so I acknowledge it but don't let it rule over me. These thoughts can also be negative things about a group am I not a part of, but I don't actually believe.
I think they're intrusive thoughts.
But that scares me cos I already have anxiety. To have intrusive thoughts does that mean someone has to be OCD/Schizophrenia? I have only ever heard of intrustive thoughts in terms of schizophrenia or OCD.
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