I don't want my third vaccine

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They're making all adults have the third booster and I'm scared to have it. I've heard real horror stories about it, from people who I know. You don't really know what having all these vaccines every 2-3 months is doing to your body, and it seems as soon as you have one you're invited for the next one.

I'm scared I'll end up like my boyfriend's niece's friend who was rushed to hospital as soon as he had his third booster because of a bad reaction, and now he's got permanent lung damage or something. He was fine with his first 2 jabs, and he was tested negative for covid just before having the third one, and again when he was in hospital. He doesn't have any underlying health conditions, he's a young healthy man.

And that's not the only horror story I've heard. My boyfriend's niece had her third booster and she was ill for 3 weeks after having it. 3 weeks is a long time to be ill from a vaccine. Most covid cases are less severe than that.

But if I don't have my third one it will just cause arguments between me and my boyfriend. He's had his third one and was all right but he didn't seem to react to any of his jabs, plus I heard the more vulnerable you are to covid the less likely you will suffer with side effects from the vaccine. I think it overloads the immune system is young, healthy people and this is why we're suffering severe side effects that could be more life-threatening than covid itself.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head. Since when is it mandatory, Have they passed a law i haven't heard about yet?

Fear-mongering. Nice to see that some who were intimidated into obedience are now starting to question things. It's better than nothing. It's a start.

They said on the news they want to get everyone boostered (with the third vaccine) by the end of the month. It's only a matter of time before they invite me for one, even though I've only had my second one 2 months ago.

I don't consider I was intimidated into having the vaccine. I wasn't scared of COVID. In fact I'm pretty certain I had it before they started testing people. I had the vaccine because I trusted in the science that produced it and I believed it would protect others and offer us all the fastest way out of this pandemic. I was fully aware it had been rushed through testing. So I balanced the risk with the reward and felt that I should have it.

For the booster, that balance has shifted a bit. We now know that the vaccine does not give immunity, even from the variant it targets. That doesn't make it a total loss - it still slows transmission and reduces the severity of the disease. For a country with socialised healthcare that's important, the vaccine protects that service too.

But I am more worried about having a third jab than I was the first two. It feels riskier to keep doing this. Especially so soon.

And frankly, if we're not going to starting making good on those pledges to vaccinate the world so these variants don't keep coming then the argument for having the jab for the common good starts to weaken, for me.

Oh and Johnson's statement was that everyone would be offered the booster jab. You're totally free not to have it.

*hugs* I'm pro-vaccine, but I can understand your fear behind possible side effects. It's perfectly natural to fear what one cannot control. Add to that the fact that the baseline reaction isn't that pleasant, and it can be really discouraging.

I have chronic health issues, and I, personally, will be getting a booster in the coming week or so. To be honest with you, I thought on it for a long time to figure out whether it was worth it for me to get one this time. I will likely be sick for two weeks after, just like my second dose. I've known one person who has had long last side effects from the Pfizer vaccine, but a lot of research is pointing to this being related to administration (not aspirating) rather than the actual vaccine. He's in the very small percentage of people with this reaction, but he's still valid.

My second dose made me quite ill for nearly two weeks, but my assumption is that these symptoms were much better than the alternative. My partner was sick for a mere 36 hours after his second dose with no long lasting effects. The only lasting effects I have had were improvements in symptoms (that were likely caused by an undiagnosed alpha variant infection in March 2020 that caused me even more severe health issues over the course of the following 16 months). At the 2.5 week mark (post 2nd dose), my symptoms started to improve dramatically. (if anyone wants the data behind long-haulers having improvements after vaccines, I can link you a Harvard article)

All of this being said, the majority of stories I'm hearing about the boosters (Pfizer and Moderna) here are mixed. About half of people are saying it was about the same as their "second jab". The other half are saying they had no reaction at all. I honestly haven't heard anyone say it was worse (and I am in communities with people with chronic health issues). I think it is important for you to weigh out the data (not the sensationalized headlines) and decide what is best for you in this case. If you didn't react much to the initial doses, you likely won't with the third. If you need directing to some unbiased, peer review material feel free to reach out.

If you do decide against a booster, at least make sure you are keeping yourself in good health. Get yourself some fresh air and daily movement or exercise. It probably won't hurt to start taking your Vitamin D-5000 iu (preferably with a low dose vitamin k) and possibly even a simple zinc supplement. And, of course, get yourself some good N95s for going out in public.

It's perfectly normal to be scared, and you aren't alone in this.

I find it odd that they are doing it every 2-3 months because your body would get an overdosage of the vaccine. Where I live the earliest you could get the booster shot was
6-7 months after you got your 2nd shot. I would be wary in your case as well since you just recently got your second dosage.

If you don't want your third vaccine than don't get it. No one can force anyone to put something into their own body that they don't want to(or that should be the case).

That's your choice there, and one does what one is comfortable with. If one hasn't experienced anything bad after two, then it's likely more won't be different; it's more the reactogenicity, i.e., how your body responds to the delivery system and antigen than those contents themselves causing issue (barring accidental IV injection or something similar), and one would have a good idea there after the second dose. You see this where lots don't get anything, some get a mild local/systemic reaction, and rare individuals get moderate-severe local/systemic reactions. The same can be said for the virus. They are quite reactive though, and cumulative effects via unrecognized inflammation could be real since no one truly knows, but the odds are against it. I don't see many talk about the chance of less efficacy from multiple doses of the same outdated antigen leading to issues, but I guess they haven't seen any so far.

You are young, so you'll be almost certainly fine from COVID-19 regardless.

Off on a tangent:

I think only the vulnerable should get them [if they want them]. Others if they want to, of course. I'm not a fan of children getting them though, simply because they get such mild illness to begin with. If they provided lasting immunity and prevented almost all transmission, then there's arguments that it'd likely be good for most to get it as eradication via vaccination [and infections] would be a real possibility. The reality here is that everyone could be vaccinated tomorrow and it won't stop it, rather just temporarily slow it down; that's the nature of a coronavirus and its viral quasispecies swarm. Influenza viruses are similar.

Personally, I don't think the vaccines are going to change the outcome in the end all that much other than kick the can down the road. At the individual level, you gain some time exclusive prevention against infection and/or symptom severity depending on antibody levels (the protection at 3 months will be better than at 6 which in turn will be better than 12), and would be more useful for the vulnerable groups since transmission hasn't been lowered all that much, even against old variants. The same number of people are going to get it in the long run (and multiple times), and they'll get it when protection is low at some point in time eventually.

I think my mother should get it, as vulnerable, but that too is her choice. I recommended Vitamin D for her, which she's been taking (and has helped some of her own autoimmune conditions, which makes sense; she was almost certainly low--I'm not meant to be a doctor, doctors, that was your job), and I've bought the best OTC stuff available to me if she ever gets it. Bromhexine Hydrochloride and low-dose Aspirin. I'd get her doctor to get give her a prescription of Fluvoxamine if she does get it, as that works pretty good (if she's willing to take it, but I'm sure she would be). Monoclonals too if they're available as I'm sure she'd meet their criteria. I worry about someone else, but she's youngish and is likely vaccinated (since basically everyone is).

SARS-CoV-2 is likely a chimeric genetically engineered vaccine itself made for something more severe, just a failed one or working as intended, but I won't go there (if latter, it wasn't meant to be kept in circulation for so long so natural evolution wouldn't do its thing). So, I guess the majority are gonna get multiple doses there regardless (lol).

I'll stop lecturing now.

(I'm not even going to get one. Even if I was vulnerable. I'm a stubborn individual that isn't a fan of things being forced/coerced/mandated. I would have been more receptive if I cared about getting COVID-19 and suffering a bad outcome if the governments and their corporate mouthpieces behaved more reasonable. This probably makes me an "anti-vaxxer" though, so I probably shouldn't be listened to at all and I might be a danger to democracy or something.)

Be not afraid.

Us refuseniks seem to be alright in the UK so far, unlike in Germany and Austria where they are toying with the idea of mandatory vaccination and Australia who appear to be nonchalantly constructing concentration camps for the unvaccinated.

I only got my vaccines because I'm dead against lockdowns and track and trace, so I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't get jabbed. I also did it for my boyfriend. He reckons that if you're jabbed but you live with someone who isn't jabbed, you're basically not protected; you're only protected if both/all of you are jabbed. It was causing arguments between us and he even threatened to make me move back to my father's if I didn't get jabbed.
My boyfriend loves me and isn't the sort to be mean, so it's obvious that he has been scared straight of all the TV media that imply "get vaccinated or you die from covid". The media are excellent at instilling fear and panic into people, especially the medically vulnerable. I suppose I understand how you can be easily scared when you're medically vulnerable and there's a very contagious virus going around that is said to be deadly to the vulnerable. I even got feared when they started saying half the patients in the hospitals weren't elderly or had any underlying health issues.
So I was guilted into having my 2 jabs.

Also the government keep threatening to take away people's freedom if they're not vaccinated, which is a good way to force everyone to be vaccinated. I hope they don't start doing this with the third jab. Personally I'd rather wait at least 6 months after my second jab before I even consider having the third one. I think 3 months is too soon between jabs.

I didn't know Australian government were Nazi communists? Really, putting people into concentration camps for not getting vaccinated against a virus is going waaaaay over the top. Even if the virus was 100% deadly and was killing everyone who gets infected, it still wouldn't be reasonable to put the unvaccinated into concentration camps. It's basically taking the piss out of what happened during WW2 in Auchtwitz, Poland (don't know how to spell it).

I don't think the UK will do that. We're extremely politically correct here and believe too much in human rights. Even criminals that murder people get it too good in prison; 3 meals a day, internet, TV, etc, all for free (paid by our taxes). The UK is too soft. They even give foreign people coming over here on boats houses, jobs and free healthcare. So concentration camps are out of the question over here.

is this true ???

why would they do such a thing ?????

Well they are not calling them that obviously. They are called "mandatory quarantine facilities" from which the "jab is freedom". When you have that with militarised police conducting "welfare checks" and taking people away to these facilities - some folks are calling a spade a spade. As everyone now knows in this day and age, the difference between wild conspiracy and confirmed fact is about 3 months. I am thankful not to be Australian today.

What you went through there is why I refuse/refused on moral grounds. They shouldn't be doing that to people. There's ways about increasing vaccine coverage in benevolent, respectful and kind ways without resorting to causing interpersonal issues among friends/families due to the fearmongering from the government and their mouthpieces, keeping them locked inside against their will, and also the segregated society and threatening/taking their livelihoods. As long as someone does refuse, then that's enough; one person or a billion, it doesn't matter too much. Malevolence and its tyranny only wins when it has zero opposition. Eventually, the opposition increases over time, as it always does. It's easy for me as I don't have anything to lose in the end (broke and alone is how I go); I've already lost everything (but my mother, but she's in the same place I am), so I can refuse without issue. I fully understand why people went ahead with it against their will in this context (and there's selfless reasons they would have done it too, i.e., civic duty and for the greater good, along with thinking it'd reduce transmission); it's quite upsetting to me that so many were forced against their will via government and corporate weaseling with their "mandates" though.

I am pretty stubborn and my personality is my personality in the end, so if I were normal, had a family and all the rest, I probably would have worked around it when it comes to "mandates" (quasi-forced).

Though, I'll refuse actual forced vaccinations all the same. Sadly, most will go along with that one, as history shows, but I understand why they do. It's not how I go. Being forced to do something against my will crosses my line quicker than anything.

Well.....governments (ones in Europe) fully intend to make life difficult for unvaccinated people so yes, she does have a gun held to her head.

Secondly a lot of people feel the same as her.

This.