Government computer in my head

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17 Dec 2022, 11:57 pm

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People need to be aware that their thoughts can be read by technology.
Evidence, please?

Sure, brain activity can be detected, but from only a few centimeters away (at the very most).  This does NOT mean that actual thoughts can be read by a machine from Earth orbit.

This is analogous to setting an unmodified AM broadcast receiver next to a monitor-less PC or laptop and expecting to hear the contents of its hard-drive being spoken in plain English over the receiver -- that just ain't gonna happen.

HOWEVER, even if what you claim is somehow true, then what do you propose we do about it?
Do you understand the concept of "Classified Information"?  I would have thought you did. You were in the navy, after all.
Classified information exists, yet the mere existence of classified information neither implies nor expresses the details of any specific piece of classified information.


MKULTRA was "Classified Information" which became de-classified.
The vast majority of the information on that project was systematically destroyed.
Is it not reasonable to speculate about what other forms of abuse by the Ammmerian and Soviet Union secret services had researched?

Consider this:
If it were possible to create technology that would be advantageous in influencing the thinking of another person, would it be researched?

A better question would be:
Why would such technology NOT be researched?

Are you saying you definitively KNOW that communication via electronic harassment is impossible?
"Evidence, plz". :wink:


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To claim otherwise is like those 19th-century journalists who somehow "knew" that there was intelligent life on the surface of Venus, and for no other reason than the fact that the Venerian atmosphere was too cloudy to see the surface.


Your example doesn't impress me. Could you use another?

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As for the claim that people's thoughts can be read by technology: This claim likely originated either with science-fiction writers, or with homeless schizophrenics who wrap their heads in aluminum foil whenever they go off their meds.


Plz re-read what I have said previously in this post.

Regarding: "Aluminum foil hats."
You do realise this is simply disinformation designed to discredit those talking about "Classified Information", right?

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Disinformation is false information deliberately spread to deceive people.[1][2][3] It is sometimes confused with misinformation, which is false information but is not deliberate.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation


I am surprised you are so trusting of governments.
My personal experience has made me realise that this is folly.
May I suggest you try and keep a skeptical mindset.



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18 Dec 2022, 3:21 pm

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You can't secretly develop such a technology.


Says who exactly? The whole point of secret technology is that the public don't know about it. I've had 2 job interviews with GCHQ in Cheltenham so I know all about secret technology..


Says the guy who creates electronic circuits and lets them get printed in China for fun. Now I'm not some genius expert about these things, but I know a lot about them. I also know a lot about the methods governments use to spy on people etc. Because they don't care about the human right to privacy.

But I get it. You are convinced that this is the government effin around with you. Maybe you suspect that I'm a government agent, trying to convince you to stop telling our secrets to the public. It would be outrageous if anyone confirmed that the government is secretly manipulating brainwaves and brain networks of some person on a Wrong Planet forum. So we need to make sure that person stops talking about it, right? We need to convince him, otherwise our secret will become public.

I actually to some degree understand what you are going through.

And I know that you are convinced. Anything anyone writes in this thread can become a proof of the conspiracy against you. They tell you "go get medical help"? Of course they'd say that, to distract from their dirty tricks, trying to make you sound insane. They tell you "it's not real, it's all in your head!"? Of course they would say so, to hide their crime against fundamental human rights. Again this proves that it's a conspiracy against you.

There's really not much which can be done. Which is why I told you to try interrupting the connection of the government computer to your brain by throwing certain molecules into your brain. If I had government computers harassing my brain, I'd throw a dopamine receptor antagonist at it, to cause a "connection reset by peer" error during their connection attempts. Even if it were actual government computers connecting to my brain, this could be a safe method to sabotage their connection attempts.

Anyway, I'll ask another question which you probably have been asked a hundred of times already (I didn't read many posts in this thread): Do you have any proofs?

Do you have proofs that this is actually a government computer connecting to your brain, and not aliens from another galaxy which pretend to be a government computer? What makes you so sure it's a government computer, and not some intergalactic trolls who find it funny to cause mental distress to you? And by giving attention to these trolls, you may actually be strenghtening the connection, making it easier for them to troll you even more.

What's the worst thing for a troll? What makes a troll ultimately unsuccessful, and an absolute failure of a troll? When everyone ignores him, and he doesn't cause any outrage.

Don't feed the trolls.



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18 Dec 2022, 3:32 pm

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Anyway, I'll ask another question which you probably have been asked a hundred of times already (I didn't read many posts in this thread): Do you have any proofs?

Do you have proofs that this is actually a government computer connecting to your brain, and not aliens from another galaxy which pretend to be a government computer? What makes you so sure it's a government computer, and not some intergalactic trolls who find it funny to cause mental distress to you? And by giving attention to these trolls, you may actually be strenghtening the connection, making it easier for them to troll you even more.

What's the worst thing for a troll? What makes a troll ultimately unsuccessful, and an absolute failure of a troll? When everyone ignores him, and he doesn't cause any outrage.

Don't feed the trolls.
Might be aliens.. Might also be elaborate mental health problems. (I've a 30 year history of anxiety and depression). I can't prove it's not severe schizophrenia.. Had another bad night last night: severe abdominal tension (which I've also got now).


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18 Dec 2022, 3:52 pm

Ok. So you do actually doubt it somewhat. I see.

The abdominal tension may be a result of significant mental stress you are going through. So if you do something to reduce that stress, the abdominal tension may be less frequent in the future.



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18 Dec 2022, 3:53 pm

You say you are diagnosed with ADHD. Do you use any molecules which increase dopamine availability in parts of the brain? If yes, then I've got bad news for you. They may fuel the symptoms.



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18 Dec 2022, 3:57 pm

I take my meds for schizophrenia and depression and practice deep breathing and relaxation but it doesn't seem to help much :(


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18 Dec 2022, 4:02 pm

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You say you are diagnosed with ADHD. Do you use any molecules which increase dopamine availability in parts of the brain? If yes, then I've got bad news for you. They may fuel the symptoms.


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18 Dec 2022, 4:08 pm

Ok. So you are actually already taking dopamine receptor antagonists, I guess. Keep doing that.

You already know about that part of meditation where you're like "Ah there is a thought. I acknowledge its existence. But I will not focus on it. I will not interact with it. I will move on"?



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18 Dec 2022, 9:04 pm

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Ok. So you are actually already taking dopamine receptor antagonists, I guess. Keep doing that.

You already know about that part of meditation where you're like "Ah there is a thought. I acknowledge its existence. But I will not focus on it. I will not interact with it. I will move on"?
That's what I'm trying to do tonight and so far it's working.

I'm on Olanzapine and Prozac and vitamin tablets (folic acid, vitamin B and thiamine).


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19 Dec 2022, 1:44 am

Rossall wrote:
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HOWEVER, even if what you claim is somehow true, then what do you propose we do about it?

I don't expect you to do anything. I'm just venting instead of just keeping my experiences bottled up.

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homeless schizophrenics who wrap their heads in aluminum foil whenever they go off their meds

You're all heart.. I take my meds religiously and have a rented flat. Thanks for your concern though.. :roll:


Obviously, he has no personal experience with what is happening to you and others.
He has been conditioned by "Big Brother" to accept the official "Doctrine".
I suggest you simply ignore government propaganda. :wink:



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19 Dec 2022, 1:50 am

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There are gaming devices that can interpret brainwave activity to move the cursor, for example.


Todays technology is not sophisticated enough to decipher brainwaves and brain networks into concrete verbal thoughts. If it was, I'd already have bought the appropriate sensor chips and tried to built a thought reading device for the challenge and experiments.

Maybe at some point an AI connected to a device which monitors brainwaves and brain networking can be finetuned to an individual persons brain to recognize thoughts which it has been trained on. But that technology isn't here yet.
Such a finetuned AI with appropriate sensor most likely wouldn't work on any other person, as the network which gets activated in your brain when you think of the word "test" would likely be totally different than the "test" word network in the brain of another person.

Btw, did you already test if you can interrupt the possible connection of that government computer by throwing a dopamine receptor blocking molecule at your brain? Would be one of the first things I'd test if I got unsolicited connections to my brain. At least if I didn't voluntarily open some network ports through certain other molecules.


Firstly, Rossall didn't say that. I did. 8)

Secondly, covert hypnotic suggestions can also be used in Electronic Harassment.
The meds that are provided interfere with hypnotic trance induction, IMO.
Reason and personal experience strongly suggest this. 8)



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19 Dec 2022, 1:53 am

I'm not sure if anyone else thought of the clones in Star wars who all had chips implanted in their heads where they were cloned on the planet Kamino.

The idea is not that far fetched given Elon Musk is on the verge of commercialising his neuralink chip



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19 Dec 2022, 1:57 am

Rossall wrote:
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Todays technology is not sophisticated enough to decipher brainwaves and brain networks into concrete verbal thoughts. If it was, I'd already have bought the appropriate sensor chips and tried to built a thought reading device for the challenge and experiments.
If you did secretly develop that technology would you want it in the public domain?

No. it would cause riots. This is top secret technology. They've chosen someone with a technical background (I used to work as an electronics technician) and a lot of time on their hands.


It isn't the fear of riots that predominantly concerns the people involved, IMO, but this is simply speculation which wouldn't be helpful, I think.
A good start in understanding this atrocity, however, is to seriously study human psychology.



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19 Dec 2022, 2:03 am

Rossall wrote:
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You can't secretly develop such a technology.


Says who exactly? The whole point of secret technology is that the public don't know about it. I've had 2 job interviews with GCHQ in Cheltenham so I know all about secret technology..


The public was not told about "Project Manhattan", yet it was a reality.
It is a simple fact that classified technology is classified.



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19 Dec 2022, 2:07 am

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Computer now saying 'we're not going to kill you but we will scare the s**t out of you occasionally' along with abdominal tension and anxiety.. 8O


As I have mentioned a number of times, many people have these types of intrusive thoughts.
Most simply ignore them.
I suggest you do the same no matter how interesting they seem to be.
Think in terms of this intrusion being "Mind Rape".



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19 Dec 2022, 2:10 am

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Why do you find in necessary to share these alleged experiences?


Presumably, he is looking for support.