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21 Feb 2023, 8:03 pm

Every time I sleep I have nightmares. They're usually trauma related, or just generally really f****d up dreams that distress me. It's been affecting my sleep quality for awhile because they wake me up, and sometimes I can't go back to sleep afterwards. I also am now finding it hard to get sleep at all because of how anxious I'm getting over having them + how bad they're getting.

Is there anything that I can do to stop having nightmares, or reduce the amount that I have?



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21 Feb 2023, 8:16 pm

I learned to influence my own nightmares so that my dream self solves the problem. This works for me on repetitive nightmares. I can change the trajectory of the dream so a positive outcome arises from action I take.

Should a nightmare wake me up, I go into the kitchen and eat 2 bowls of cereal. Then I can go back to sleep without the nightmare recurring.

Then there are always drugs. Lorazepam would do the trick, I suspect.


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21 Feb 2023, 8:17 pm

Therapy helped me somewhat with this. It made it worse for awhile, too. Some people find specific medications helpful. Things can get better with time as well.

I still wake up screaming sometimes, but it doesn’t happen that often anymore. I’m usually not afraid of the dark, either. I used to have to sleep with the light on. Of course, my difficulties seem to come in waves. I’ll have a good patch for awhile and then a bad one. The bad ones are less prolonged and severe than they used to be.

The main takeaway is that things will probably get better with time and help.


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21 Feb 2023, 8:35 pm

blazingstar wrote:
I learned to influence my own nightmares so that my dream self solves the problem. This works for me on repetitive nightmares. I can change the trajectory of the dream so a positive outcome arises from action I take.

Should a nightmare wake me up, I go into the kitchen and eat 2 bowls of cereal. Then I can go back to sleep without the nightmare recurring.

Then there are always drugs. Lorazepam would do the trick, I suspect.

Sometimes if I recognize that I'm dreaming it makes the nightmare less distressing, unless it's trauma related. I also sometimes can wake up and stop the dream, but then I'm awake... I'll try to see if I can influence them more and make the experience of them at least less bad.

I also used to sometimes stay up for a bit and do something else, which helped me dream about something different when I did go back to sleep, but lately since most of my dreams are nightmares that hasn't helped much. Sometimes the next dream isn't as bad as the last one though so it can still be helpful.

Also, what do medicines like that do for nightmares? I didn't know you could take medicine to help with them.



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21 Feb 2023, 8:44 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
Therapy helped me somewhat with this. It made it worse for awhile, too. Some people find specific medications helpful. Things can get better with time as well.

I still wake up screaming sometimes, but it doesn’t happen that often anymore. I’m usually not afraid of the dark, either. I used to have to sleep with the light on. Of course, my difficulties seem to come in waves. I’ll have a good patch for awhile and then a bad one. The bad ones are less prolonged and severe than they used to be.

The main takeaway is that things will probably get better with time and help.

I hope it gets better when I go to therapy. I don't really know why it's getting worse now and it sucks.

I thankfully don't really wake up screaming or anything like that, but I have had really bad anxiety attacks after waking up from dreams. Lately I've been having dreams that are making that happen. I also haven't been scared of the dark since I was a kid and had nightmares a lot then, but lately I've been getting really bad anxiety in the dark, which is annoying. Last night I had such bad anxiety that it triggered my "fight or flight" response and I laid there + kind of froze up, not really knowing what to do about it, which hasn't happened since I was a kid.



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22 Feb 2023, 6:10 am

Fairfield wrote:
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I learned to influence my own nightmares so that my dream self solves the problem. This works for me on repetitive nightmares. I can change the trajectory of the dream so a positive outcome arises from action I take.

Should a nightmare wake me up, I go into the kitchen and eat 2 bowls of cereal. Then I can go back to sleep without the nightmare recurring.

Then there are always drugs. Lorazepam would do the trick, I suspect.

Sometimes if I recognize that I'm dreaming it makes the nightmare less distressing, unless it's trauma related. I also sometimes can wake up and stop the dream, but then I'm awake... I'll try to see if I can influence them more and make the experience of them at least less bad.

I also used to sometimes stay up for a bit and do something else, which helped me dream about something different when I did go back to sleep, but lately since most of my dreams are nightmares that hasn't helped much. Sometimes the next dream isn't as bad as the last one though so it can still be helpful.

Also, what do medicines like that do for nightmares? I didn't know you could take medicine to help with them.


Lorazepam, brand name Ativan, reduces anxiety and makes one sleepy. You feel very relaxed. It’s hard to have nightmares when one is very relaxed. (Routine cautions, can be addictive, side effects, etc.) Sometimes just having the medication on hand, just in case, can make the nightmares go away.

Do you read before going to sleep? Reading something funny before sleep might help put your brain in another frame of mind.

You can also plan how to influence your nightmare…what will your dreaming self do to save yourself? If you can’t save yourself, can you bring an advocate into your dream, like a super hero or someone you admire?


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22 Feb 2023, 7:33 am

Sorry you're having nightmares Fairfield. I know that feeling of not wanting to go to sleep for fear of what will happen - I get sleep paralysis periodically and I get like that too. I really hate the sensation of adrenalin flooding my body which can happen with nightmares. It sucks.

I guess lucid dreaming might help if you can master it, but I have this weird thing with sleep paralysis where after a few days of getting it, I know what's happening as it's happening, that it's not real and all I have to do is wait it out but my body's response to it, the terror and associated adrenalin dump isn't affected by this knowledge at all, it's like they happen at the same time in different parts of my brain. So maybe it will help, maybe not. The subconscious brain is weird.

But it sounds like you're on the right track with therapy. There will be some kind of anxiety or trauma at the root of it that you're not able to deal with consciously at the moment, the nightmares are your brain trying to deal with it subconsciously and freaking out. A good therapist will get to it.

Have you tried CBD oil? I find it subtly calming, if I buy the good stuff. Might help a bit?


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22 Feb 2023, 8:43 pm

blazingstar wrote:
Lorazepam, brand name Ativan, reduces anxiety and makes one sleepy. You feel very relaxed. It’s hard to have nightmares when one is very relaxed. (Routine cautions, can be addictive, side effects, etc.) Sometimes just having the medication on hand, just in case, can make the nightmares go away.

Do you read before going to sleep? Reading something funny before sleep might help put your brain in another frame of mind.

You can also plan how to influence your nightmare…what will your dreaming self do to save yourself? If you can’t save yourself, can you bring an advocate into your dream, like a super hero or someone you admire?

Ohh, that sounds useful. I think using benzos for anything is a no-no for me though because honestly I'd probably misuse them...

I haven't read a book in sooo long. lol
That sounds like a good idea though. I should also probably be more careful about what I do or look at before I go to bed in general.

I'll also try to think about how I can actually influence my dreams. I've never really tried to plan that before, so maybe it'll help or at least help them be less distressing.



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22 Feb 2023, 8:49 pm

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Sorry you're having nightmares Fairfield. I know that feeling of not wanting to go to sleep for fear of what will happen - I get sleep paralysis periodically and I get like that too. I really hate the sensation of adrenalin flooding my body which can happen with nightmares. It sucks.

I guess lucid dreaming might help if you can master it, but I have this weird thing with sleep paralysis where after a few days of getting it, I know what's happening as it's happening, that it's not real and all I have to do is wait it out but my body's response to it, the terror and associated adrenalin dump isn't affected by this knowledge at all, it's like they happen at the same time in different parts of my brain. So maybe it will help, maybe not. The subconscious brain is weird.

But it sounds like you're on the right track with therapy. There will be some kind of anxiety or trauma at the root of it that you're not able to deal with consciously at the moment, the nightmares are your brain trying to deal with it subconsciously and freaking out. A good therapist will get to it.

Have you tried CBD oil? I find it subtly calming, if I buy the good stuff. Might help a bit?

I get sleep paralysis sometimes too, and it's terrifying even though I know what's going on... I'm sorry you have to deal with that.

I also sometimes can become aware that I'm dreaming and influence things a bit, but not by much. Usually I just use that to wake myself up if I'm having a nightmare. I think sometimes I'm too freaked out in my nightmares to think about doing anything else.

I've tried CBD, but I didn't pay attention to how it affected the content of my dreams. Maybe I should try it and pay more attention to that, too see it does help.



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24 Feb 2023, 8:09 am

There's a specific type of therapy for dealing with trauma called EMDR, which you may want to look into or ask your therapist about, if you have a therapist. I think it's relatively common these days, it's been available on the NHS in the UK for more than a decade and I've heard quite a few people talk about there positive experience of it here and in other countries. It involves directly addressing difficult memories and feelings with the therapist so it may be a bit scary at first and perhaps not something you'd want to throw yourself into too quickly if you don't feel ready. But from what I understand of it, I'd imagine it would help a lot with nightmares, as the aim of the therapy is to sort of reprocess memories and experiences and get them filed into their proper places in your mind (in a sense), instead of flying around unprocessed, constantly causing problems in your subconscious, such as (presumably) nightmares. I hope that makes sense...I'm definitely not an expert.

Anyway, I hope you find something that helps. I've struggled with recurring nightmares in the past and I know how distressing it can be. Good luck!



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25 Feb 2023, 11:22 am

delvian wrote:
There's a specific type of therapy for dealing with trauma called EMDR, which you may want to look into or ask your therapist about, if you have a therapist. I think it's relatively common these days, it's been available on the NHS in the UK for more than a decade and I've heard quite a few people talk about there positive experience of it here and in other countries. It involves directly addressing difficult memories and feelings with the therapist so it may be a bit scary at first and perhaps not something you'd want to throw yourself into too quickly if you don't feel ready. But from what I understand of it, I'd imagine it would help a lot with nightmares, as the aim of the therapy is to sort of reprocess memories and experiences and get them filed into their proper places in your mind (in a sense), instead of flying around unprocessed, constantly causing problems in your subconscious, such as (presumably) nightmares. I hope that makes sense...I'm definitely not an expert.

Anyway, I hope you find something that helps. I've struggled with recurring nightmares in the past and I know how distressing it can be. Good luck!

That does sound kind of scary, I really don't like thinking in depth about traumatic memories that I have. I guess the point is probably to make doing that less distressing, though. I'll try to look into it.



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26 Feb 2023, 9:10 am

I was originally going to have emdr but after a few conversations with my therapist he decided that because of the complexity of my ptsd and severe dissociation it would be best to do talking therapy over a longer course.

It depends on the individual I think.

I never spoke to anyone about what I went through and I still struggle to find the words for the emotions and so I spend the full hour growling, swearing, rocking and dissociating. It's really tough so emdr really wouldn't do for that.

Sorry you get all these nightmares dude.


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26 Feb 2023, 8:51 pm

Sounds like some counselling might help. I am having the same thing atm.


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27 Feb 2023, 3:02 pm

I had lots of nightmares when using a blanket which didn't dissipate humidity and was generally too warm. After switching to a blanket with tencel/lyocell filling, it got better.

I also have problems breathing through the nose in certain sleep positions. That can also cause nightmares. So I'm using nasal dilators. Now I almost don't have any nightmares anymore.



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02 Mar 2023, 4:27 pm

Nobody seems to have mentioned this so; Check if any of the medications and/or supplements you are taking (if any) are conflicting... I had 10 years of solid nightmares due to a then unknown reaction between two medications...

Put everything you take.. even vitamin and mineral supplements.. into drugs.com 'interaction checker' to see if anything pops up...



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03 Mar 2023, 5:41 am

another thing to consider may be that these horrible dreams are a side effect of meds you might be taking. I never had dreams much until I began a new med aimed at controlling my depression and anxiety. I felt great during the day but the dreams were so upsetting I dreaded going to bed and to sleep. I finally connected the horrible graphic and distressing dreams onset to the meds. Hope you find something that works for you!


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