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12 Aug 2007, 2:52 pm

Last night, my male friend took me to a pub place I have wished to go to, tho it is more like a club
called The Dungeon...it is mainly for goths and you get a lot of people in amazing clothing there and it is on levels and just really nice, but really loud mostly.
My friend has a lot of friends, as mentioned in another post and every other person at this place seemed to know him, so we ended up stopping while he talked to catch up with them.
And someone asked if I was ok... I couldnt talk. All I could do was stand there, darting looks around, unable to break into the conversation or speak.
I felt so outside of things as I watched groups of friends hugging one another and talking and seeming so carefree and adept at communicating.
And there was me, not knowing where to look or what to talk about.

I feel so very lost as I can now only see a future of isolation because I cannot seem to change what I come across as.
To others I am withdrawn, strange, silent, defensive, and I hate it.



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12 Aug 2007, 2:58 pm

I know that feeling well, I used to get it all the time when I had 'friends' in college. It really sucks. I don't think I'll ever really be included properly in anything, always on the sidelines.



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12 Aug 2007, 3:14 pm

Graelwyn wrote:
Last night, my male friend took me to a pub place I have wished to go to, tho it is more like a club
called The Dungeon...it is mainly for goths and you get a lot of people in amazing clothing there and it is on levels and just really nice, but really loud mostly.
My friend has a lot of friends, as mentioned in another post and every other person at this place seemed to know him, so we ended up stopping while he talked to catch up with them.
And someone asked if I was ok... I couldnt talk. All I could do was stand there, darting looks around, unable to break into the conversation or speak.
I felt so outside of things as I watched groups of friends hugging one another and talking and seeming so carefree and adept at communicating.
And there was me, not knowing where to look or what to talk about.

I feel so very lost as I can now only see a future of isolation because I cannot seem to change what I come across as.
To others I am withdrawn, strange, silent, defensive, and I hate it.

You should have got more drunk then. Alcohol tends to loosen people up alot, especially aspies.



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12 Aug 2007, 3:16 pm

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Last night, my male friend took me to a pub place I have wished to go to, tho it is more like a club
called The Dungeon...it is mainly for goths and you get a lot of people in amazing clothing there and it is on levels and just really nice, but really loud mostly.
My friend has a lot of friends, as mentioned in another post and every other person at this place seemed to know him, so we ended up stopping while he talked to catch up with them.
And someone asked if I was ok... I couldnt talk. All I could do was stand there, darting looks around, unable to break into the conversation or speak.
I felt so outside of things as I watched groups of friends hugging one another and talking and seeming so carefree and adept at communicating.
And there was me, not knowing where to look or what to talk about.

I feel so very lost as I can now only see a future of isolation because I cannot seem to change what I come across as.
To others I am withdrawn, strange, silent, defensive, and I hate it.

You should have got more drunk then. Alcohol tends to loosen people up alot, especially aspies.


I did drink but it didn't make much difference.



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12 Aug 2007, 3:20 pm

You could see if he'll introduce you to some of his friends gradually, ie. 1 or 2 of them in a more quiet environment. Then, if you go again, you'll know a couple more people and it won't be as daunting.



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12 Aug 2007, 3:22 pm

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Graelwyn wrote:
Last night, my male friend took me to a pub place I have wished to go to, tho it is more like a club
called The Dungeon...it is mainly for goths and you get a lot of people in amazing clothing there and it is on levels and just really nice, but really loud mostly.
My friend has a lot of friends, as mentioned in another post and every other person at this place seemed to know him, so we ended up stopping while he talked to catch up with them.
And someone asked if I was ok... I couldnt talk. All I could do was stand there, darting looks around, unable to break into the conversation or speak.
I felt so outside of things as I watched groups of friends hugging one another and talking and seeming so carefree and adept at communicating.
And there was me, not knowing where to look or what to talk about.

I feel so very lost as I can now only see a future of isolation because I cannot seem to change what I come across as.
To others I am withdrawn, strange, silent, defensive, and I hate it.

You should have got more drunk then. Alcohol tends to loosen people up alot, especially aspies.


I did drink but it didn't make much difference.

How much. Maybe you need something else on top?



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12 Aug 2007, 3:22 pm

that describes me at every party i ever go to.


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12 Aug 2007, 3:29 pm

There's really not much to talk about with anyone who ignores you like that. Most of them don't have a thought in their head other than "how do I get someone to do me?" or "do I look cute?"

Even when they do listen, most do it only to find a weakness to exploit. Those who actually pay attention are often part of a religoius sect trying to find new converts with a weak resistance. Remember, that's how Charles Manson ended up forming his family in Los Angeles.

Here's one thing I found that is quite effective for making friends. Find the nearest soap box derby course, grab a skateboard, and see how fast you can go. There are quite a few longboarders with dreams of competing in speedboarding contests hanging around such downhill courses, and they're a little more mature than street skaters.

Of course, as I found out yesterday, it takes a few passes to work up the nerve to stay on a short board at those speeds (20-30 mph easy).


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12 Aug 2007, 3:43 pm

I just suppose because I lived with my mother until 24 and because I then was with my ex for 5 and a half years, I never noticed how socially inept I was as I just didn't go out then or feel a need to socialise at all, but I am starting to desire to have more friends and am finding it impossibly difficult, and I fear at 32, it is too late to change it or learn methods to help myself. It just seems so insane that it is only now I find out how bad I am socially. I never really considered it before. Maybe sometimes it is better to just remain reclusive as then you can avoid seeing what you cannot have.



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12 Aug 2007, 3:51 pm

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I just suppose because I lived with my mother until 24 and because I then was with my ex for 5 and a half years, I never noticed how socially inept I was as I just didn't go out then or feel a need to socialise at all, but I am starting to desire to have more friends and am finding it impossibly difficult, and I fear at 32, it is too late to change it or learn methods to help myself. It just seems so insane that it is only now I find out how bad I am socially. I never really considered it before. Maybe sometimes it is better to just remain reclusive as then you can avoid seeing what you cannot have.

There is always a way if you have the drive and determination to get where you want to. Next time you go to a party, make sure you talk to 5 people you dont know and have a list of basic conversation lines ready to give you a start. And join in the fun, at least do some dancing, preferably with someone else. If you feel in the mood, perhaps even the karaoke.



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12 Aug 2007, 3:53 pm

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I just suppose because I lived with my mother until 24 and because I then was with my ex for 5 and a half years, I never noticed how socially inept I was as I just didn't go out then or feel a need to socialise at all, but I am starting to desire to have more friends and am finding it impossibly difficult, and I fear at 32, it is too late to change it or learn methods to help myself. It just seems so insane that it is only now I find out how bad I am socially. I never really considered it before. Maybe sometimes it is better to just remain reclusive as then you can avoid seeing what you cannot have.

There is always a way if you have the drive and determination to get where you want to. Next time you go to a party, make sure you talk to 5 people you dont know and have a list of basic conversation lines ready to give you a start. And join in the fun, at least do some dancing, preferably with someone else. If you feel in the mood, perhaps even the karaoke.

It's not as simple as just making yourself do these things. :roll:



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12 Aug 2007, 3:55 pm

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Graelwyn wrote:
I just suppose because I lived with my mother until 24 and because I then was with my ex for 5 and a half years, I never noticed how socially inept I was as I just didn't go out then or feel a need to socialise at all, but I am starting to desire to have more friends and am finding it impossibly difficult, and I fear at 32, it is too late to change it or learn methods to help myself. It just seems so insane that it is only now I find out how bad I am socially. I never really considered it before. Maybe sometimes it is better to just remain reclusive as then you can avoid seeing what you cannot have.

There is always a way if you have the drive and determination to get where you want to. Next time you go to a party, make sure you talk to 5 people you dont know and have a list of basic conversation lines ready to give you a start. And join in the fun, at least do some dancing, preferably with someone else. If you feel in the mood, perhaps even the karaoke.

It's not as simple as just making yourself do these things. :roll:

Yes, you have to break down the artifical mental barriers true. That can be done by believing in yourself, however.



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12 Aug 2007, 4:10 pm

And boy do they feel like barriers. It is like being in an invisible bubble or iron cage.



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12 Aug 2007, 4:14 pm

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And boy do they feel like barriers. It is like being in an invisible bubble or iron cage.

There is a way to break them down. Hypnosis may be a start.



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12 Aug 2007, 4:16 pm

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And boy do they feel like barriers. It is like being in an invisible bubble or iron cage.

There is a way to break them down. Hypnosis may be a start.


Have been considering that, I am getting desperate to be more 'normal' and to be able to be less fearful of doing things instinctually.



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12 Aug 2007, 4:26 pm

Graelwyn wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Graelwyn wrote:
And boy do they feel like barriers. It is like being in an invisible bubble or iron cage.

There is a way to break them down. Hypnosis may be a start.


Have been considering that, I am getting desperate to be more 'normal' and to be able to be less fearful of doing things instinctually.

Go and get a book and see if you can teach yourself it, the one by William Hewitt is quite good. If you have a hunt around, i cant remember the addresses, but there are some free audio sessions on the net.