On being fat, consuming resources and stuff
I'm afraid to be honest about what food I want and don't want, what food I like and dislike, saying so or going to the kitchen and getting something to eat when I'm hungry. I get paranoid that I eat too much of Jack's food, that I ask for too much so I never ask for anything and we get into arguments where I'm trying to explain to him why I'm so shy about eating but inside I'm just dying for stuff, I'm craving stuff I've hardly had in years and the kind of fruit I crave is the most expensive and most people are poor and can't afford it so they eat s**t that they often don't crave. I can't get a job down here; I'm not a citizen and don't have any fancy papers for anything. I'm even afraid to be alone in a room with a light on because what if Jack starts to complain about the electric bill?
Once when I was 13 I made a few comments about my weight and my dad went on all day, upon hearing that I weighed 160 pounds, about how huge I was, how all I ate was sugar and fat and salt, about how yeah, lots if not most of the girls at my school got food at the cafeteria but they all weighed 80 or 90 pounds (I think he finds that sexy-- years later he talked about these chicks he worked with who weighed 80 or 90 pounds), not 160 (not true, though lots were underweight lots were also overweight), how he would never, ever forget that when we went to get my school uniform my uniform was the biggest size they had in the store. I said that wasn't true. There were lots of humungous girls at my school. My dad said that their uniforms were custom made, then railing that he wasn't paying for a custom made uniform (like I was just going to get fatter and fatter and bust out of my current uniform), etc. Most of my friends were the same size as me and they all said that they weighed 130 pounds and that I must weigh the same. My dad said they were lying to make me feel better, but I didn't tell him they were the same size as me, but he would just have said they were lying to make themselves nad me feel better.
Then a few days later I joked or said something about how I was fat because I weighed 160 pounds and my father said "A healthy 160" and said it was healthy, that there was nothing wrong with my weight, I was a growing girl and needed nourishment. So I didn't know whether to believe him in his angry state or in his doting state.
When I was 14, after being in sailing camp for weeks, my dad said he was proud of me for losing so much weight and that now I looked like a teenage girl. He said I was HUGE before (with emphasis on the word huge), that it even effected the way I walked, that I rather than walked, waddled. I asked if it exaggerated my features making them ugly and he said no, it masked them. Which was true. But I really did not waddle more than most people do (and lots are overweight). I mentioned before that he had mentioned many times not to worry about my weight, that it was normal and healthy, and he said he had been lying those times so as not to hurt my feelings.
My dad always prided himself on his physical fitness. He told me once in third grade (I was 9 when I started caring about my weight and finding myself fat) that the other girls may be dieting because they were short and fat but I was tall and skinny and never to go on "stupid diets" like my mother went on, that exercise was the key and really the only thing that worked.
Once like 2 years ago, two or three times, my dad said that me and my mother could do with starving for two weeks because it would make us lean and mean like him, and that made us feel guilty because he still got us food when we asked for it (or rather, when my mother asked for it and I hinted I was hungry-- I was already extremely self-conscious around him then). He made my mother out to be a b***h for saying she needed food. So I was always afraid to ask for food. And I didn't, until one day I broke down and whined/cried that I was dying for fruit and milk and that there was such a thing as a craving and we had cravings for a reason and overdosing on certain kinds of food and some stupid out of order stuff like that I would be totally at peace with myself if only I had the right food and stuff. My dad got mad and disgusted at my childishness and whininess and said that I had no idea of the s**t he'd been through. He prides himself on not eating for days and seemingly not caring. But mostly he eats what he wants. He just does the not eating thing either when he's drinking and not hungry, or to impress us or intimidate us. But later he gave me $20 and told me to get milk and fruit ad whatever I needed. The one other time something similar happened (and, not because I believed this was the thing everyone or anyone did, but to make a point, I said I'd pay him back with interest if he lent me some money to get some food I was dying for) he came home with milk and fruit and asked me after if I felt better now that I had milk and fruit and s**t.
There are times when my mother couldn't get a job because her teeth were rotting and coming out and all the jobs she was qualified for required talking and being with people. My father kept telling her to get a job but other times totally understood why she couldn't, and whenever he cursed her and swore at her and insulted her for using up his resources and screwing him over, I felt like he was also cursing me and swearing at me and insulting me, because I was doing the same thing. Several times while drinking beer he would sit at the computer listening to music and making gunshot noises, and he claimed to never remember doing that. Once he said "f*****g b***h, get out of my life." He had told my mother to get out of his life several times. I totally couldn't blame him; he had two leeches sucking him dry. He worked hard at the factory and was paid almost nothing. I've felt murderous before at people who weren't murderers so I felt sorry for him. But (no, I'm not good with family solidarity, just WP solidarity) I was relieved he said "b***h" and not "b*****s". Whenever my mother would say/ask/complain for food or that she wanted food or needed that or I needed this or that she had to have dental work done, he would yell and be all disappointed that he was to be drained some more. I never asked him for anything. I didn't want to put him through what my mother was putting him through.
One time when I was gaining weight he was losing it and I got paranoid that he was losing weight to guilt me into losing weight too.
Once when my mom would tel him of something I needed he would get mad (if I told him he usually wouldn't but a lot of the time she wasn't even being bitchy and he would still get mad) and for a f*****g school project I needed a big board of corrugated plastic and he made me feel guilty for needing THAT "How am I supposed to get this when this piece of s**t sucked up every cent I had left?", so how was I supposed to ask him for FOOD, which is the last thing he thought I needed, when years ago when I was a minor too young to work and in high school he even got mad at either my mom or me or just at the world for me needing something for a school project (mind you, he was broke and working hard in the factory). And my mother expecting him to pull rabbits out of hats, expecting him to FIND a way to cave to all her demands, when he LITERALLY had NOTHING.
When he had money he has been very generous, and often when he had just an average poor man's amount of money he took us to restaurants and ordered food for us and that. I felt guilty but I was also hungry so I ate it. I wondered if he was doing it to make us feel guilty or jsut tell him once how great he is because the poor man never heard it, but for some stupid reason I never told him that because I never felt like it, I don't know how to explain why.
And yes, he probably has a mood disorder, and yes, I probably got it from him... another reason to be mad at him for f*****g me up, not just with his talk and action but also with his DNA.
well, this is a complicated piece 'o work...
You may eat to feel better; seratonin makes people feel better, and a lot of that is in starches..I know I've done it.
You're growing up, usual stuff about your body changing, and people will slim up and pig out all through this period. Keeping a stable weight, as long as it's not too thin and not too fat (which is a pretty subjective thing, unless you start doing things like body-mass index), is probably what you should shoot for.
The really sad thing about world hunger is not so much as there's not enough food to go around (there is), but that getting it to and from the people who make it to the people that need it. A lot of world hunger is deliberate policies by various rebel and other armies, who use it as a weapon. For 98% or more of the world's history, there's always been the specter of not enough food from time to time. Our bodies evolved that way, and that's why we eat and store fat. I think it's a great thing that we don't have to worry ourselves as much about getting enough to eat.
I've never heard of anyone deliberately not eating for several days, when they have the means to do so. There may be issues on his part, too. But you'd know that best.
good luck, hope you find the balance that works for you.
I should probably not say anything because I don't know a thing about normal balance when it comes to eating, exercise, weight, and so on, having had issues since an early age. But I just feel compelled to mention that fasting does nothing but kill a person's metabolism and most likely a person that does not eat for days will gain it all back and perhaps some more if going back to eating again. I am guilty of fasting often and continuously, and I know what it does to a person if used for weight loss, and I just want to say this, because of your father's ideas about not eating sometimes. That's all from my part.
It is okay to eat. That's why I wanted to say not eating is just not beneficial in any way and, to be honest, plain stupid (and yes I realise that I'm calling myself stupid by saying this). My father has been very strict about these kind of things, too (edit: exercise and being thin, I mean). Eating is natural. Your father has pushed an issue that is not meant to be brought up.
If you starve yourself you will just throw your metabolism off, and end up gaining more weight. Just eat when you're hungry--several smaller meals are actually even better than 3 large ones--but try and substitute healthier foods like fruits and vegetables. There are lots of ethnic markets that sell very cheap, high quality produce.
If you are worried about electricity, maybe you could get an LED light to plug in, or one of those solar lanterns?
The fun thing is, if I had it my way I WOULDN'T be overweight, or only a little (most people don't find me overweight anyway, but I haven't been thin since I was 8 or 9 years old). It's the economic oppression that make me fat. The stuff I crave and love-- strawberries, raspberries, blueberries, blackberries, cereal and that-- is so expensive, no matter where I go and I've lived in a lot of places. Instead I would often eat pies or candy with those berry flavors. Sometimes frozen berries are on sale but a lot of the time they have SUGAR added to them. YUCKO! (And I don't like jam, and when I eat that I'm basically eating jam.)
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This is true. Your body will compensate for it when you start eating again and you'll gain more weight than you would naturally.
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Believe me, I have never planned to lose weight to make my father happy. Knowing how proud he was about looking in shape and how vain he was about his non-hulking manliness, I would say embarrassed things about my weight just so that he wouldn't think I thought I was perfectly entitled to eat all his food even though I was already fat. I will never, ever make NAY effort to lose weight for HIM.
Unless your weight or size bother you, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
As to food, how cheap is pasta there ? That is healthy as a meal.
And just go for cheaper fruit for now, don't know how much plums are there but I eat those and they are cheap.
Just need to find cheap foods that are more healthy if the junk food bothers you. There are some out there.
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It is okay to eat and your father is being a bastard to you.
The average American woman weighs 160.
I'm also going to make an armchair diagnosis of your father as bipolar. Bipolar people frequently have a tendency to not eat or sleep for days without any seeming ill effects. His up and down behavior towards others also sounds slightly bipolar. So it would make sense.
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Should have figured you'd already dxed him. Isn't cyclothymia a form of bipolar? (In which case I'd at least have been close) You know him better and you're more obsessed with psychological stuff so I'd trust your dx more than mine.
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Fathers can be such jerks to their daughters about their weight. Even if they don't mean to, I think they're naturally just oblivious. My favorite quote of my daddy's as a teenager: "God, I feel fat today. Hey Elizabeth, how do you do that thing with the finger down your throat?" *mimes gagging*
I try to eat without overthinking it now- I've never been overweight, but I've always had a bad relationship with food and my body. It's too easy for me to become obsessive.
Berries are delicious, and (as I'm finding out buying my own food now) ridiculously expensive. Try your best not to worry about what you eat or what you like. Keep in mind boys around our age tend to eat WAY more, even if they are going through someone else's kitchen. Sometimes, if you help out with the grocery shopping, you can find deals on the stuff you're willing to eat (if you are picky like I am), and that helps you feel better about it since you're taking a proactive approach.
