Why are people Arsholes to uneducated people

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They treat them like they are stupid and 9 times out of 10 they are more intelligent and street wise than ignorant educated professor people. Who walk around with thier noses so far up in the air that they don't care to notice these highly intelligent yet uneducated people that just need a little helping hand.

No ever helps them or even seems to give them a chance. They just push them back down to the gutter again. Sure people make thier own choices but often these people are put in such life circumstances that it doesn't matter how hard they try - the rich educated people that could assist them just s**t on them.

Yeah, I agree. One thing that annoys me is that if you commit a felony and go to prison, you can get free high school equivalency courses and then free college courses. Some felons even come out of prison with college degrees, all for free.

But if you're a decent, honest poor person these college professors don't care about you. They never go to poor neighborhoods and offer free college courses/degrees to honest poor people, only to predators. So if you want free college, you know what we want you to do in exchange - go commit a felony. Grrrr.

This has annoyed me for years - thanks for starting this thread so I could rant!

Its in the hope that through a better chance they will become a productive member of society. While this is somewhat effective of course assuming that the criminal in question doesn't have a psychological compulsion.



while thats true its important to understand that the world is a battlefield of conflicting wills. In their insecurity they hold on to the socially important things like wealth and education to feel superior because they feel equally inferior in the other parts of their lives.

That is a big question. There is a reason why some people are educated in the first place. Some is because their schools have had in place a system of institutional discrimination in place or that some people are genuinely unintelligent. But leaving out the latter how about the people who are uneducated because of the school they been to had/has policy of institutional discrimination whether that being racism, disablism or aspiphobia. This wrecks self esteems for years and creates resent. There are alot of the other more fortunate people who have their heads up their arses and just gloat. I have found out people who do that. Just because they have been favoured just because of being neurotypical and a social predator how disgusting.

Wealthy people are under no obligation to help the poor.

Educated people are under no obligation to help the uneducated.

Poor, uneducated peope rarely have the financial resources to employ wealthy, educated people.

Wealthy, educated people have the financial resources to employ poor, uneducated people.

When you work for someone, you do what you're told in order to earn your wage.

If you don't like the way that some wealthy, educated person is treating you, then maybe it's time to look elsewhere.

You may not think this is fair, but it's the way things are, so it's best to either become wealthy and/or get an education on your own, or learn to deal with the frustration of having to work for people that think you're just one more generic worker.

I refuse to eithier!

I would give the last of my food to a starving kid down the road and yes I feel obligated to help out my nieghbour, if I am rich or not. However, the rich have much more power help people. If all the rich people in the world gave the money and the resources they did not need to the poor - There would be no starving people.
About 10% of the worlds popluation has 80% of the world income or are so rich. It is a statistic very similar to that anyway. How greedy hogging all the money to themselves, leaving every one else struggling. I also read a book about poverty and even the psychology students were suprised to find out that they themselves had discriminative attitudes towards people in poverty. Alot of people think it is through their own life choices and laziness. Through an evidential study they found out 100% of the cause was nothing to with the individual as such, as it was a social structural problem caused by the Goverment, the rich people of thier greed and ignorance.

This being the Haven, I can not fully express my views on your position.

Suffice it to say that, yes, if wealthy people gave all their un-needed wealth and resources to the poor, that would be a Good Thing. Even if those poor people used their new-found wealth to buy guns, drugs, and political favors, the wealthy would still have done their part.

But what about tomorrow? Even the wealthy have only so much wealth, and if they give it all away today, there'll be none to give tomorrow, and then we'll all be poor.

Except for those gun-toting drug-runners.

I mean, just look at East Central Africa (I've been there). Those folks aren't using their aid money to build corporations, hospitals, libraries, and schools. No, instead they're using their aid money to buy guns in order to terrorise their neighbors and destroy any progress that would otherwise be made.

Even when food and medicine are given to the poor people, they're as likely to sell it all for guns as they are to be robbed of the same food and medicine and then be raped and killed.

In an ideal world, everyone would help everyone else; but also in an ideal world, those who received the help would use that help to better themselves, and there would be no one to rob them of their potential.

Don't blame just the wealthy, blame the poor and the criminals as well.

That's life in the real world.

True. I'm just complaining that these educated people don't seem to care if the decent poor get a better chance to become productive members of society. They're more likely to want to become productive than the people who have already shown a preference for felonious, predatory behavior. It's not a matter of chance, but of choice, that a person becomes a felon - and by the time you get caught and then sent to prison rather than getting probation, you've generally committed more than 1 crime (at least here in the US).

Oh, and Fnord, I agree with your above post. Giving money away to people in bad neighborhoods seems like it will make targets of decent people who get the assistance and will be used for bad purposes by criminals who receive it, and the money would run out long before the poverty would. I think you're 100% right.

True. I'm just complaining that these educated people don't seem to care if the decent poor get a better chance to become productive members of society. They're more likely to want to become productive than the people who have already shown a preference for felonious, predatory behavior. It's not a matter of chance, but of choice, that a person becomes a felon - and by the time you get caught and then sent to prison rather than getting probation, you've generally committed more than 1 crime (at least here in the US).[/quote]

The sentence in bold is not true because there are alot of people that committ felons that have a mental disorder or illness and it is as a result of their condition that they have deteriorated to such that they become imprisoned. Not because of choice but because they are the untreated mentally ill and homeless.

There are also many imprisoned that have been wrongly convicted and sometimes people are forced into crime by abusive persons that they have been misfortunate enough to become involved (usually family).

Most people in prison have had really hard lives and have been the most vunerable and disadvantage in society. They are not all bad people. Most are not.

However, there are some people that choose to go to prison and that is because they are poor, socially isolated and it is the only way they can get a roof over thier head and to be feed. They leave prison and they try there best to make it but because of lack of support and resulting life circumstances they end up back in again. Some people call prison home because it is the most of a home they have ever known.

Not to mention the high rate of schizophrenics inprisoned. They do not need to be in prison - they are ill but the Goverment doesn't help them out and gives very little funding to mental health services in comparison to what is needed. I believe that in regards to public hospitals and of other services - mental health and psychiatric rehabilitation is the least funded out of all Health cares.

Some just don't see a way out. Unless you have walked a mile in their shoes and/or know well some of these people and of that extreme difficulties they have experienced and continuosly have to face - Your judgements are based on ignorance.

Fnord's opinions on this topic are mostly incorrect and as ignorant as you can get. I know because of the studies I have done on psychology and sociology - in research that is done by professors and academic students in this field of welfare and poverty. What I have studied is research that is statistical and scientifically based on evidential facts.

Last edited by BellaDonna on 13 Jan 2009, 11:50 am, edited 9 times in total.

You're right, the tragic lack of bling has led many a poor boy into drug dealing. Interestingly enough, most criminals don't stop commiting crimes when they have "a roof over their head and food". they continue accumulating all the ill-gotten gains they can until they are imprisoned.

I hope you're not trying to suggest that poor people who choose not to be criminals have not had difficult, disadvantaged lives, or abusive families like my own.

I also hope you didn't intend to suggest that there is a level of free college education that will offset schizophrenia.

Despite your compelling (and certainly inoffensive) argument that my judgements are "yet again based on ignorance" you have yet to convince me that decent poor people don't deserve as much help as criminals receive, which was the point of my original post in this thread.

Despite your compelling (and certainly inoffensive) argument that my judgements are "yet again based on ignorance" you have yet to convince me that decent poor people don't deserve as much help as criminals receive, which was the point of my original post in this thread.[/quote]

No just one sentence - I was using that as an example of ignorance that is so widely held by people in general - I am bemused. I agree that, yes of course equally disadvantaged people should get just as much help. This is another BS in our society. You have to abuse your child before Child and Family Services will offer any assistance. You have to become a school truant before you are offered extra cirrcular activites. You have to be bashed over the head and brain damaged before some police will take a domestic violence situation seriously and etc and etc.

Some one has to die first before some-one in a postion of power realises - 'Oh they needed our help' and they will set up a plan that the next time the a person is on thier death bed - they will provide them with a million dollar life support machine that may save them.

It's alot BS. Prevention is better than cure. Situations are waited til they become so bad before any one does anything.

So, I agree with you that, that is not fair. If some one is as equally disadvantaged and does not do the wrong thing. As alike a Mother who asks for help so she doesn't abuse her child and doesn't get help - They should get help and they should be the people that are first prioritised. Just like you and your example.

BellaDonna,

Assuming that you know what you are talking about, what plan do you propose to fix the situation? And I mean a real plan, not just "From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs, and by force if necessary" or some other such Marxist drivel.

Fnord

I don't know Fnord. I would have to go back to school and become educated on the subjects I'd need to know to bring about such change. Then I might be able to tell you. I am not very educated. I have a learning disability. I can have alot of a problem with being inattentive. I didn't finish junior high or do any further studies or school. Still, I am not stupid and when I do learn something I don't forget. I know what I am on about.

I know I cannot change the world but I can change myself. I might go study sociology and become active in educating people such as yourself about the facts of poverty.

I might become a manager of a charity service and correspond my educated research and knowledge to Goverments and politicians.

It might just be helping out, volunteer work. Like talking to people that are lonely. Like the elderly and doing some of thier gardening that they can't do. If every-one was more willing to help out thier neighbour or just some one out on the street that has fallen over or needs help crossing the road. Like old-fashioned courtesy. The world would become and be a much better place.

Maybe the changes people can make are not enough. It is like that with the enviroment, maybe it is too late and we are doomed to destruction. However, it doesn't hurt to try. It is better to have tried and failed than to have never make an effort at all.

I believe that even though I feel limited to what I can offer to other people, right now. To just smile and say "hello' to your neighbour that looks a bit sad - can make some ones day.