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paolo
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10 Feb 2007, 3:36 am

I try to imagine that in some planet outside the solar system there is some form of life depending for its survival on the existence of a language of its own. They ship some planetary astronaut to the earth. The Earth is not very attractive for resources, they have nearly all been depleted by some of its local inhabitants: men.

Besides, the earth is a very dangerous place on the verge of internecine nuclear annihilation. The purpose of exploration of unkown lands has always been one of pillage, exploitation and destruction of what is useless to the explorer and occupier. The explorer must only map the possible resources ad get information about the social structure of the society to be later pillaged and destroyed (in a Cortez-Pizarro-Stanley fashion).

The first thing to do is to find some way to communicate with some locals, outcast traitors, people to be aggregated to the conquest in a first intermediate stage in which collaborators are needed. A pidgin in a way. Or do you destroy them all in a kind of first strike?

The more you try to enter into details, the more the whole project of intersideral colonization seems absurd. Let's just stay with your cat like the heroine of"Alien".


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10 Feb 2007, 3:58 am

On the Battlestar Aspica we throw crazy people out the airlocks.


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10 Feb 2007, 4:32 am

Flagg wrote:
On the Battlestar Aspica we throw crzay people out the airlocks.


You don't "throw" people out of airlocks as much as "flush".....

(Toilet humour, here we come!! !)


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10 Feb 2007, 4:38 am

Quatermass wrote:
Flagg wrote:
On the Battlestar Aspica we throw crzay people out the airlocks.


You don't "throw" people out of airlocks as much as "flush".....

(Toilet humour, here we come!! !)


No, some lucky sod gets to put on a spacesuit and mag boots and stand in the airlock holding the victim. Then we open the doors and the person in the suit chucks them. Needless to say it's the most popular job on the Aspica.


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10 Feb 2007, 4:39 am

Quatermass wrote:
Flagg wrote:
On the Battlestar Aspica we throw crzay people out the airlocks.


You don't "throw" people out of airlocks as much as "flush".....

(Toilet humour, here we come!! !)


At $10,000 kg I will be dehydrating them for their water then storing that dried bodies
to burn to regenerate and feed the green house with carbon dioxide and minerals.



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10 Feb 2007, 7:42 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Flagg wrote:
On the Battlestar Aspica we throw crzay people out the airlocks.


You don't "throw" people out of airlocks as much as "flush".....

(Toilet humour, here we come!! !)


At $10,000 kg I will be dehydrating them for their water then storing that dried bodies
to burn to regenerate and feed the green house with carbon dioxide and minerals.


Ok, we need to build the orbital elevator first to bring the to-orbit costs down to where it's affordable to chuck folks out the airlock... :twisted:


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10 Feb 2007, 8:53 am

Now some attempt at elucidation.

In 1974 (I think) the NASA sent into space a probe with a plaque intended to send a message for aliens. It contained several images and symbols meant to say to aliens A) we are intelligent B) we are peaceful (an open hand), we would like to have a chat with you, here is our ID (the DNA), do you have a DNA?, it would be nice if you made your DNA known to us. The plaque was subject of much controversies at the higher echelons of NASA and in the media because of the nakedness of the humans represented. And why, among other things, send images of naked humans? Are we so attractive, especially to aliens? The woman’s genitals were progressively reduced and then abolished. The whole thing looked as sheer nonsense.
1) Why try to communicate with aliens when we have an incredible abundance of aliens here on the planet: ants, bees, albatrosses, bears, bats etc.? Do we communicate with these living beings in a decent way? We don’t even know how many species exist here. Should ants and bats in the universe be more interesting than the ones we have here?
2) We don’t succeed to communicate amiably between us humans, and even between AS and NT, and also between AS, why should we send a probe into space to communicate with an interstellar ant or bee, or bird?
3) Peaceful intentions. Why should any living being be assured of our peacefulness because of an extended hand? After all Colombo, Pizarro and Cortez probably extended hands to Incas, Aztecs, (and Stanley to Congolese blacks), when they met them for the first time.

For further reasoning about the DNA business and other things, I will make attempts in further posts if possible.

In some forums it's possible to send images. Can someone tell me how?