do you have fear of going to hell?
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No. I have a fear of not going anywhere except into the ground to slowly decay, with no spirit or afterlife at all, and it will be as if I had never liver lived. I don't have any knowledge or memory at all of a "before life", so how could there be an afterlife?
If hell did exist it's obviously where I would be going because I celebrate Halloween, read Harry Potter, didn't always obey my parents, listen to rock and-or roll, speak ill of religion and the church, love cats, and I'm left-handed. Don't have to murder people or anything, in fact if heaven existed serial rapists and mass murderers would be let in because they prayed for forgiveness.
To me hell is the complete seperation from God and his son Jesus. I do have that fear, but I also have Christ's promise to be with me always through his church and her sacraments. So even though I fear it, I believe that it is a holy fear keeping me united with Christ and the ark which is his church.
And by the way I also love the Harry Potter series.
Nope. I believe God doesn't punish people eternally for being screw-ups. He made us imperfect, after all. As long as we do our best to live good lives and help others, we're fine. I don't think liking Harry Potter, celebrating Halloween, or any of that makes one worthy of eternal damnation. The Bible doesn't condemn fun. It condemns worshipping material things but that's different than simply enjoying material things.
If there was a heaven and hell. Which I really doubt, I want to go to hell, its where all the interesting people went. Eternity is a long time.
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Nope!
First I'd have to believe it was a real place someone could actually go to when they die, and then I'd have to believe others who tell me other things like being gay or having sex or doing this or that are so-called "sins" that would get me sent there in the first place.
Instead, I quite like the explanation of the Toltec Wisdom as conveyed in the book "The Four Agreements" that essentially says that life on Earth can be Heaven or Hell depending on your own perception of it. If you're depressed and pessimistic, life can be a living hell. If you're happy and optimistic, life can be heaven on Earth. I choose the latter with no religious affiliation attached.
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I don't believe in hell sense I'm a Secular Humanist & I've already lived though hell.
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The original punishment God threatened Adam and Eve with if they disobeyed him was death, "Dust you are, and to dust you will return".
He didn't say, "I am going to keep you alive for ever just so I cam have you tortured. As all sin is a result of Adams disobedience, his sin was the most deserving of punishment.
Here the Bible reports the condition of those who are dead:- "for a living dog is better than a dead lion.
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, ........for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave,"
Jesus did use Gehenna in illustrations, this was a place that was constantly burning with fire and brimstone, it was a rubbish dump outside Jerusalem, into it, the bodies of dead (not live, dead) criminals were thrown.
The word Hell is the same word as Sheol, or the grave, even Jesus went to hell for the three days he died, it doesnt mean he was burn alive for three days, it means he was dead for three days.
Now religions have used the illustration of the valley of Gehenna to frighten people into giving them money by claiming it is Hell, but look what it says in Revelation 20:-
" 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
Hell was cast into the lake of fire, or Hell was cast into Gehenna which was the lake of fire, or one translation I read said, "Hell was cast into Hell"
The point I am making is that Hell isn't the burning place, Hell itself gets destroyed after the thousand years of Jesus rule when "Death will be no more", then there will be no need for the grave or Hell as it is called, because nobody will die anymore, so Hell itself will be destroyed by being thrown into the symbolic eternal rubbish dump of non-existence.
I am sure nobody here is so wicked that they would like to torture somebody for ever and ever by burning them alive whilst keeping them alive?
Who thinks they are better and kinder than God?
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Absolutely! I know that there are «hellish realms of existence» and such worlds have been revealed by Remote-Viewers like David Morehouse in his book : Psychic Warrior.
Not only that, even the The Messiah himself also describes Hell within his writings in similar manners, for all inhabitants of those hellish realms take turns using razor-blades to slice into each other's flesh until they regenerate (unable to actually «die» out of those twilight-realms but still feeling the exact same pain that one would if still on earth and was cut by a razor-blade but multiplied and objectified by five), whilst in Morehouse's book there were reported realms of long lines of people walking up a cliff to have their throats slit followed by being thrown down into a putrid river of blood until reach round was completed until the cycle rotated to the next person doing the neck-slicing!
Also, according to the writings of The Messiah, contrary to popular belief, hell is not a place of fiery hot heat and brim-stone, but a cold, dark, desolate waste-land of after-life twilight-zones where NO «light» exists, and all suffer on in perpetuity without surcease! This earth-life is only a temporary surcease of suffering for most of us, for the vast majority are still full of sin (i.e.: negative emotions of fear/anger/hate/contempt/etc) and false-beliefs, such that everybody finds a «justification» for being complicit to causing harm to others for one reason or another (such as the funding of the domestic-terrorist organisation known as the State via fines and taxes or also the support of international-terrorism through the voting for or fund-via-taxation activities towards any self-proclaimed war-mongering government).
Let me try to put it into perspective. When one hires a hit-man to assassinate someone, the employer becomes complicit to the act of murder, even if the employer did not personally commit the act of killing. Similarly, when groups of people pay taxes to fund extortionist police and nation-destroying militaries, everybody who supported/funded/voted any war-mongering system (such as a State/government) becomes complicit to all of the harm/suffering/trauma caused/imposed by the police/military activities of domestic-terrorism, kidnapping, hostage-taking, person-trafficking, embezzlement/larceny, money-laundering, extortion, international-terrorism, perjury, treason, fraud, concealment-of-fraud, violations of human/civil/natural-rights, inciting civil-unrest, causing insurrection, etc.
Regardless of calling it an arrest, the act is still kidnapping; regardless of calling it taking one to jail, the act is still the trafficking of persons; regardless of calling it being jailed, the act is still hostage-taking; regardless of calling it a bail-bond, the act is still one of extortion; regardless of referring to it as law-enforcement, the act is still domestic-terrorism; etc. Let me try to make it even more clear with the following image...

Although most of the world is still not very familiar with the research-efforts of the well-documented para-normal investigators that have collected mountains of evidence for it over the last century, one of the striking discoveries that remains consistent amongst the deepest levels of research is that there IS a cause-and-effect factor at play in everyone's lives, such that it is often described in this manner...: «Everything that we or our servants cause others to experience will also become our own experiences, and if any suffering is not experienced by us during the current life, then it will happen in the next life or a future existence» (also often stating that we repeat cycles of reincarnation in order to suffer through our karma until we learn to stop causing pain/suffering unto others).
The Messiah has also written similar, except that he also points out that we will also experience all of the collateral suffering that results from the initial suffering, such as if we were to call the cops on a man for whatever reason, and the cop puts that man in jail, if that man is the father of children, then any suffering the children experience will also become the due of the cops and the people who called the cops for preventing the childrens' father from being able to take care of them properly. Similarly to how Jesus frequently warned of everybody walking the wide road to hell, Terence (the current «incarnation» of the Spirit of Truth who was known as Jesus in his former life) also warns everybody that, without His (God's) pure Truth and wisdom, that we are ALL walking the WIDE road to HELL...
Also, before anybody plays that damn «Mental-Illness» card against me for claiming that The Messiah has returned earth already, I need to point out the fact that I am actually VERY SANE and very serious about this matter, and that my «belief» about Terence being God's TRUE messenger is NOT based on any «delusional» ideas, and that I should probably also point out a few things about Terence.
Terence does not claim to BE God (only God's messenger).
Terence does not want anybody to bow down to him (because he is only a «simple» man).
Terence does not want anybody to «worship» him (only to heed God's message instead of praising the messenger).
Terence does not claim to have ever walked on water nor turned water into wine (and has also written that anybody so foolish as to believe such a story has most-certainly been taken for a ride and scammed by con-artists).
Terence has also CLARIFIED the meaning behind the originally purported «Render Unto Caesar» clause that is so often used by Caesar-style extortionists who impoverish the whole entire world...
http://www.the-testament-of-truth.com/t ... caesar.htm
Already, the world has incurred and continues to incur HUGE amounts of negative karmic-debts, and they will be EXTREMELY PAINFUL for everybody once the SHTF events are triggered. You damn straight I am terrified of the fate that most people will meet, and I take it VERY seriously, which is why you will NEVER see me voting for any mere mortal to be my so-called political-leader, nor will you EVER see me funding any form of iniquity via fines or taxation or license or fees or other such extortionist-demands. I have had my say and, for The Messiah has already done his work and slaved away for many a day for you, You, and YOU, I now take the Baton from him to carry on with his original mission of spreading around God's pure truth for everyone's spiritual-benefit so that he can finally take a break from being rejected by so many and actually enjoy his life for once whilst I carry on his works and mimick him in many a way.
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