What's so bad about "happy holidays"?

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24 Dec 2018, 8:35 pm

To me "happy holidays" is just a shorter way of saying "Merry Christmas and happy New Year" but apparently some people have an issue with it.



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24 Dec 2018, 8:41 pm

Because some people like "Merry Christmas" better.

Most people, nowadays, say "Happy Holidays," rather than "Merry Christmas," to people they don't know well.



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24 Dec 2018, 8:50 pm

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25 Dec 2018, 10:59 am

Because some Christians want to force everyone to celebrate Christmas.
If you're in the west, most people including Atheists do celebrate Christmas.
I think if you don't want to sound PC/be accused by a Christian of being anti-Christian but you do want to acknowledge things like solstice, Hanukah and New Year, 'Season's Greetings' is nicer.
My Christian dad doesn't like Xmas because it's 'rubbing out Jesus'. It isn't. X is short for the Greek version of Christ's name. Mind you if I thought Jesus was God I wouldn't be going about calling him JC or whatever either.
The season has been around since before Christmas. NTs and people without light sensitivity needed something brightly lit to help them through the darker months of the year and to be honest we all need something to warm us up. That's why big festivities in summer are rare. And in the past, it was a time of hunger so collecting together for a rest was a real way to keep going through the hungry months.
Holiday literally means holy day. It's Christians being their own version of PC.



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25 Dec 2018, 11:12 am

TUF wrote:
Because some Christians want to force everyone to celebrate Christmas.
If you're in the west, most people including Atheists do celebrate Christmas.
I think if you don't want to sound PC/be accused by a Christian of being anti-Christian but you do want to acknowledge things like solstice, Hanukah and New Year, 'Season's Greetings' is nicer.
My Christian dad doesn't like Xmas because it's 'rubbing out Jesus'. It isn't. X is short for the Greek version of Christ's name. Mind you if I thought Jesus was God I wouldn't be going about calling him JC or whatever either.
The season has been around since before Christmas. NTs and people without light sensitivity needed something brightly lit to help them through the darker months of the year and to be honest we all need something to warm us up. That's why big festivities in summer are rare. And in the past, it was a time of hunger so collecting together for a rest was a real way to keep going through the hungry months.
Holiday literally means holy day. It's Christians being their own version of PC.


But why, unless you're in Greece, would you use something that does look like it's trying to take the Christ out? If you're writing it and you can't take two extra seconds to write Christ's name then you probably don't believe in him and are trying to get rid of it, and the same definitely goes if you say it.


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25 Dec 2018, 11:12 am

because not everyone has holidays in this period. I'm working full time :|


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25 Dec 2018, 11:32 am

modernmax wrote:
TUF wrote:
Because some Christians want to force everyone to celebrate Christmas.
If you're in the west, most people including Atheists do celebrate Christmas.
I think if you don't want to sound PC/be accused by a Christian of being anti-Christian but you do want to acknowledge things like solstice, Hanukah and New Year, 'Season's Greetings' is nicer.
My Christian dad doesn't like Xmas because it's 'rubbing out Jesus'. It isn't. X is short for the Greek version of Christ's name. Mind you if I thought Jesus was God I wouldn't be going about calling him JC or whatever either.
The season has been around since before Christmas. NTs and people without light sensitivity needed something brightly lit to help them through the darker months of the year and to be honest we all need something to warm us up. That's why big festivities in summer are rare. And in the past, it was a time of hunger so collecting together for a rest was a real way to keep going through the hungry months.
Holiday literally means holy day. It's Christians being their own version of PC.


But why, unless you're in Greece, would you use something that does look like it's trying to take the Christ out? If you're writing it and you can't take two extra seconds to write Christ's name then you probably don't believe in him and are trying to get rid of it, and the same definitely goes if you say it.



What IS...an "X"?

An "X" is a cross. The very symbol of Christ.



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25 Dec 2018, 11:35 am

modernmax wrote:
TUF wrote:
Because some Christians want to force everyone to celebrate Christmas.
If you're in the west, most people including Atheists do celebrate Christmas.
I think if you don't want to sound PC/be accused by a Christian of being anti-Christian but you do want to acknowledge things like solstice, Hanukah and New Year, 'Season's Greetings' is nicer.
My Christian dad doesn't like Xmas because it's 'rubbing out Jesus'. It isn't. X is short for the Greek version of Christ's name. Mind you if I thought Jesus was God I wouldn't be going about calling him JC or whatever either.
The season has been around since before Christmas. NTs and people without light sensitivity needed something brightly lit to help them through the darker months of the year and to be honest we all need something to warm us up. That's why big festivities in summer are rare. And in the past, it was a time of hunger so collecting together for a rest was a real way to keep going through the hungry months.
Holiday literally means holy day. It's Christians being their own version of PC.


But why, unless you're in Greece, would you use something that does look like it's trying to take the Christ out? If you're writing it and you can't take two extra seconds to write Christ's name then you probably don't believe in him and are trying to get rid of it, and the same definitely goes if you say it.


True, unless you're Ancient Greek it doesn't mean Jesus, but I don't think people are actively trying to get rid of it I think they're just saving time and aren't Christians.
Most people aren't and most people still celebrate. Because NTs still hate the dark of this time of year and most people hate the cold and NTs like to gather together and have time off some Aspies do too.
I think it's funny the way Christians try to impose their opinions onto people then pretend others are doing it to them.
But seasons greetings is more universal.
I don't say xmas but I know why someone would on twitter or on a quick advert. It saves space and they're not Christian.
It's possibly also not cos he dislikes atheists but because his mother was JW at the end of her life and they really do actively hate Christmas.



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25 Dec 2018, 11:46 am

I don't think anybody really cares that much if you tell them merry christmas or happy holidays.



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25 Dec 2018, 1:11 pm

Perhaps some people think it too secular.



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25 Dec 2018, 1:23 pm

I'm not saying this is always why people mind, but it can be an acknowledgement that there are people out there with other beliefs (or none) and other festivals than Christianity and Christmas.

I live in a very Christian area and a lot of people seem to never even consider that people could be any other way.


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25 Dec 2018, 1:31 pm

Because it's PC nonsense shoved down our throats because not every single person is of Christian origin, and is complete and utter nonsense. Anyone choosing to live in a country with another main religion, have no business getting offended that the locals use their won traditional greetings. They have chosen to live there.
Being included in that greeting is an inclusive thing.
I'm an atheist and I would never use anything but "God jul" or "Merry Christmas". If that offends someone, tough luck! Says everything about the ones reacting to a nice greeting.
I've had Jewish acquaintances who wished me "Hag samecha" on some of their holidays, and I appreciated that.


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25 Dec 2018, 1:43 pm

Skilpadde wrote:
Because it's PC nonsense shoved down our throats because not every single person is of Christian origin, and is complete and utter nonsense. Anyone choosing to live in a country with another main religion, have no business getting offended that the locals use their won traditional greetings. They have chosen to live there.
Being included in that greeting is an inclusive thing.
I'm an atheist and I would never use anything but "God jul" or "Merry Christmas". If that offends someone, tough luck! Says everything about the ones reacting to a nice greeting.
I've had Jewish acquaintances who wished me "Hag samecha" on some of their holidays, and I appreciated that.


I completely agree. :wtg:



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25 Dec 2018, 3:56 pm

As a Catholic, Christ's Mass is definitely my Holy Day.
But though I may feel an eye-roll at people who are certainly happy to use another religions holiday to benefit themselves, I am not going to bunch my panties over people saying happy holidays or txting Merry Xmas towards me.
After all tolerance is proper, even required and should especially be in mind as Epiphany and Lent roll in.
Show by example.
Now mind you, tolerance is not approval but it is not my job to be God's rod of discipline.
And as American, I am not in line with govt enforcement of morals or ethics as long as others keep their whatever to their personal space and do not step into mine.
Of course, I still agree conversely if an apology was enough there would be no police.....

anyway.. there is nothing BAD about it at all, and cheerful greetings should lift a spirit for their intent, not their wording


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25 Dec 2018, 3:57 pm

NewTime wrote:
What's so bad about "happy holidays"?
Nothing.

Personally, however, I would rather go to the extra effort of finding out which holidays are special to each of my friends, and giving each of those friends a more personalized greeting. So, if greeting "Habari Gani?", "Hanukkah Sameach!", "Merry Christmas", or even "Have a Nice Day!" offends those people that the greeting was not directed to, then that is THIER problem and not mine.

When addressing a mixed group, "Happy Holiday!" will simply have to suffice.



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25 Dec 2018, 4:13 pm

As a Brit it sounds silly to me its equivalent to saying "Happy Vacation". Its Christmas time you don't have a Christian to celebrate its mostly a pagan celebration anyway.