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Asp-Z wrote:
Or maybe not everyone has the same sense of homour?
Making fun of someone's abuse isn't really humour. Being liberal and giving the benefit of doubt, I'd call it mordacity if one has insight into abuse, or simple juvenile jest if one is ignorant of such. Neither of which are nice forms of humour.
TBH, I don't even know why we're still arguing about this, despite our differing opinions I've apologised and taken the comment off, and the way you go on about it you'd think I was supporting abuse or something, when instead I made a throwaway comment which played on a common sterotype ![]()
Asp-Z wrote:
Or maybe not everyone has the same sense of homour? It may amaze you to learn that not all humans are identical 
Oh, is that all it is? In that case, I look forward to your future jokes in which you mock others who have been abused. Please, make sure those are strangers too, that you don't clearly state you think you're joking, and cover the following topics: racism, why that girl 'totally deserved it', and why all aspies should be thankful to be put in chokeholds, because those are almost like hugs and we're all so desperately lonely.
Your "joke" was tasteless and offensive. You mocked someone you didn't know, someone who had just shared a personal story of pain. Maybe that kind of nonsense is funny amongst you and your friends, but when you direct it at a stranger who has just shared a personal story, it's so far from funny that it's no where close to a joke.
Asp-Z wrote:
TBH, I don't even know why we're still arguing about this, despite our differing opinions I've apologised and taken the comment off, and the way you go on about it you'd think I was supporting abuse or something, when instead I made a throwaway comment which played on a common sterotype 
We continue to talk about it because the moment after you said sorry (which is not the same as apologizing, which we'll get to in a moment) you immediately played the victim card. It wasn't that your remark was crass, it's that no one understands you and your sense of humor! Mocking abuse is funny, especially when you explain that you're basing it off yet another form of abuse (ignoring and/or dismissing male complaints)! Everyone is just being mean to you. Then, when it looks like it might be over, you just move threads to complain about how people still don't get your wit.
When you make a joke about how a guy should be happy to be sexually harassed, yes, you're supporting the abuse. It'd be no different if you commented on a story where the genders were reversed that she should be happy to get the male attention. You are especially supporting it in this case because males so often face your kind of reactions, where they are not supported; they're mocked, demeaned, and dismissed. This makes them less likely to come forward in the future. Whether you meant to or not, you were supporting the abuse.
As for saying sorry: you said the word. I don't know why people tend to think that's some sort of a magic word, where you can say it and then be completely good. If you had said it and that had been that, maybe it would have been acceptable; lacking, but still an apology. You, however, immediately turned around when the person you were mocking expressed that he didn't like the "joke" either and began making excuses. You're on the spectrum (just like almost everyone else here), you don't understand unwritten social rules. You don't get empathy. You're just joking. Etc, etc, etc. You didn't take off the joke because you thought it was bad; you did it because others did and the pressure got to you.
I don't think you meant to be hurtful and continue an abusive cycle; I'm sure you thought you were being funny. However, you weren't; what you did was wrong, and you're not a victim.
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Right, this is the final post I will do on this subject, I'm getting rather sick of this big deal over nothing now.
RainSong wrote:
don't clearly state you think you're joking
I very clearly stated I was joking, or were the laughing smiley and the fact I said it was a joke right after just small clues?
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and cover the following topics: racism, why that girl 'totally deserved it', and why all aspies should be thankful to be put in chokeholds, because those are almost like hugs and we're all so desperately lonely.
Thank you, I'll be here all night!
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Newsflash: Your "joke" was tasteless and offensive.
As I already said, different people have different senses of humour. If mine didn't appeal to you, then fine, but quit attacking me, especially after I took action once I realised I had caused offense.
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We continue to talk about it because the moment after you said sorry (which is not the same as apologizing, which we'll get to in a moment) you immediately played the victim card. It wasn't that your remark was crass, it's that no one understands you and your sense of humor!
Yes, because, as I said, I'm being attacked for a throwaway comment which I removed and apologised for.
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you explain that you're basing it off yet another form of abuse
I was basing it off of a common stereotype. Stereotypes, as I said before, are the center of pretty much all jokes.
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Then, when it looks like it might be over, you just move threads to complain about how people still don't get your wit.
I see this thread as a place to post what happens to be on my mind at the moment, so that's why I indirectly mentioned it here.
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yes, you're supporting the abuse.
OK then, so if I make a joke about salesmen, am I supporting salesmen?
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As for saying sorry: you said the word. I don't know why people tend to think that's some sort of a magic word, where you can say it and then be completely good.
I said sorry because I didn't mean to offend anyone, that was not my intent and after seeing that it did offend someone I felt an apology was due.
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You're on the spectrum (just like almost everyone else here), you don't understand unwritten social rules. You don't get empathy. You're just joking. Etc, etc, etc.
Exactly right, everyone here is on the spectrum, so why am I getting attacked for slipping up at social rules, and over a throwaway comment at that? I at least expect a basic level of understanding here of all places, especially when I've reacted to the offense caused by making an apology and removing the joke.
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mocked, demeaned, and dismissed
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magic word, where you can say it and then be completely good
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you were supporting the abuse
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especially supporting it in this case
Credit given where credit's due, though, you are very good at hyperbole.
Forgive me for not being sincere now that I'm still being attacked after saying sorry and removing the joke.
BTW, if anyone's reading this wondering, "What the hell is this crap about? Did this guy set someone on fire or blow their house up or something? Is he Satan?", this is all because I made a jokey throwaway comment suggesting that males usually enjoy physical contact with the opposite sex.
Asp-Z wrote:
I very clearly stated I was joking, or were the laughing smiley and the fact I said it was a joke right after just small clues?
Well, no, the laughing smiley face was not enough. All that meant was that you were laughing, which could have been laughing that he didn't like contact like that. You said it was a joke afterwards, but that was only afterwards.
Asp-Z wrote:
As I already said, different people have different senses of humour. If mine didn't appeal to you, then fine, but quit attacking me, especially after I took action once I realised I had caused offense.
I'm sure bullies find their antics to be quite amusing as well. If it was a tasteless comment directed at no one, fine, but it wasn't; you mocked a specific person who was sharing a personal account. The excuse of different humor styles only applies when there's not a victim.
And please, stop thinking you're being attacked just because I won't agree that your comment was appropriate. It wasn't. You can pretty much apply that sentence to the rest of this, as typing out "you aren't being attacked" over and over again just takes up space.
Asp-Z wrote:
I see this thread as a place to post what happens to be on my mind at the moment, so that's why I indirectly mentioned it here.
I'm simply explaining why the conversation goes on.
Asp-Z wrote:
OK then, so if I make a joke about salesmen, am I supporting salesmen?
If you take a story about how a salesmen was hit by a car and make fun of it, then, yes, you're supporting the abuse of salesmen too.
Asp-Z wrote:
I said sorry because I didn't mean to offend anyone, that was not my intent and after seeing that it did offend someone I felt an apology was due.
But you don't think you were wrong, and you're blaming everyone but yourself. No one gets your humor, etc, etc. It's everyone else's fault for being too sensitive. Even when you said sorry, you were all ready offering excuses.
Asp-Z wrote:
Credit given where credit's due, though, you are very good at hyperbole.
Except it's not hyperbole.
Males being sexually harassed are less likely to report their abuse than females. Females get compassion and understanding when they do. Do you think someone would "joke" about females being groped and unable to respond? No. But people think it's an acceptable thing to do when the victim is male. There's this idea that men cannot be sexually harassed or assaulted or abused, that all contact is welcome, when nothing is further from the truth. Any man who is brave enough to reveal his story has a much higher chance of being met with a negative reaction. In our screwed up society the general perception is that if a male somehow is abused, that means they're weak. It's like people simply cannot comprehended and accept that men can go through just as much pain as women and that sometimes it's women who are the abusers. If they aren't out right ignored, they're mocked and offered no support.
So, yes, when such a story is shared, and the first reaction is to make a "joke" about how he should have enjoyed it, then you're encouraging it. At no point, before or after, did you offer any words of support; all you did was take a story about pain and mock it.
Asp-Z wrote:
BTW, if anyone's reading this wondering, "What the hell is this crap about? Did this guy set someone on fire or blow their house up or something? Is he Satan?", this is all because I made a jokey throwaway comment suggesting that males usually enjoy physical contact with the opposite sex.
To be more accurate, he commented on a story of sexual harassment to "joke" that the victim shouldn't be complaining about it.
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