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16 Sep 2008, 2:58 pm
jawbrodt wrote:
Wow, makes you wonder how many fakes are out there, that pass for genuines. 
I wonder if PCGS or NGC can distinguish between the two? That's scary.
I wonder if PCGS or NGC can distinguish between the two? That's scary.Once a type is discovered it gets easier, because every fake
will have the same die-marks or cast marks. We see alot! of
old, 1800-1900, coins here these days
i actually saw news
on a local site today about a fake one on ebay, And one on a
local auction site here
they have singled out some types
and made up alot of those it seems, and they sell for around
$700-800 for each piece
One trick to find fakes, is checking the metal, often the mix of
metals are off or wrong metals. To do this without damaging the
coin theres someting called a "specific gravity scale".
Easily said, it states the relationship between the weight of an object
and the equivalent weight of water of the same volume. Every metal
has its density and weight so those scales find the weight of each
type of metal in the coin, and then how much of it thats there in %
how great is that, no more costly lab examinations (or sometimes one
might need that anyway, but it helps alot!) they cost around $450 and up
here
edit---
i just checked, the fake one on ebays has been removed
wow that was fast, impressive
..but theres another guy that have sold three fakes in two
weeks and he has the fourth out now
he will probably
be stopped by ebay soon, people are complaining to them
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Relicanth7
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16 Sep 2008, 3:02 pm
Yeah People are realy cracking down on counterfits...
I think its because of Global security or somthin... 
16 Sep 2008, 3:09 pm
Relicanth7 wrote:
Yeah People are realy cracking down on counterfits...
I think its because of Global security or somthin...
I think its because of Global security or somthin...
Counterfits have always been a serious thing, a guy was hanged
here in the 1910`s for forgery of coins, thats not so long ago
it can really mess up a countrys economy and then the whole
country if someone releizes lots of fakes into circulation
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16 Sep 2008, 3:13 pm
Yes however most of the world has not been so... uhhhhh...
Distraught about forgies untuil recently... 
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16 Sep 2008, 3:13 pm
Relicanth7 wrote:
Yeah i kinda uhhhhh...
Wtf is neoprene or whatever?
Wtf is neoprene or whatever?
Neoprene is just the best material in the world! well to me...
its warm its tight and i love to rub it and smell it and bury my head in it when its too hot to wear it.
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16 Sep 2008, 3:16 pm
ImTheGuyThatDidThat wrote:
jawbrodt wrote:
Wow, makes you wonder how many fakes are out there, that pass for genuines. I wonder if PCGS or NGC can distinguish between the two? That's scary.
I wonder if PCGS or NGC can distinguish between the two? That's scary.Once a type is discovered it gets easier, because every fake
will have the same die-marks or cast marks. We see alot! of
old, 1800-1900, coins here these days
i actually saw newson a local site today about a fake one on ebay, And one on a
local auction site here
they have singled out some typesand made up alot of those it seems, and they sell for around
$700-800 for each piece
One trick to find fakes, is checking the metal, often the mix of
metals are off or wrong metals. To do this without damaging the
coin theres someting called a "specific gravity scale".
Easily said, it states the relationship between the weight of an object
and the equivalent weight of water of the same volume. Every metal
has its density and weight so those scales find the weight of each
type of metal in the coin, and then how much of it thats there in %
how great is that, no more costly lab examinations (or sometimes one
might need that anyway, but it helps alot!) they cost around $450 and up
here
edit---
i just checked, the fake one on ebays has been removed
wow that was fast, impressive
..but theres another guy that have sold three fakes in two
weeks and he has the fourth out now
he will probably be stopped by ebay soon, people are complaining to them
Specific gravity, never thought about that being applied to coins. On my job as a diesetter, I had to check specific gravity, or density(as we called it), many times a day. We used it to determine that our product was up to customer specs, so I am very familiar with that process. It's cool to know that it actually has a use, outside of industry.
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16 Sep 2008, 3:17 pm
Strapples wrote:
Relicanth7 wrote:
Yeah i kinda uhhhhh...
Wtf is neoprene or whatever?
Wtf is neoprene or whatever?
Neoprene is just the best material in the world! well to me...
its warm its tight and i love to rub it and smell it and bury my head in it when its too hot to wear it.
Soooooo... Its some tight fitting polyester... like underarmor?
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16 Sep 2008, 3:18 pm
Relicanth7 wrote:
Strapples wrote:
Relicanth7 wrote:
Yeah i kinda uhhhhh...
Wtf is neoprene or whatever?
Wtf is neoprene or whatever?
Neoprene is just the best material in the world! well to me...
its warm its tight and i love to rub it and smell it and bury my head in it when its too hot to wear it.
Soooooo... Its some tight fitting polyester... like underarmor?
NO WAY!! !
It is totally unrelated to fabrics, its a type of rubber. its thick and warm and tight and rubbery
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16 Sep 2008, 3:29 pm
ImTheGuyThatDidThat wrote:
*checks Fantom for pulse..*
he seems fine, i`ll just let him
sleep for a while longer
Nice looking coin
silver all the way
and so much details
he seems fine, i`ll just let him
sleep for a while longer
Nice looking coin
silver all the wayand so much details
Sweet coin.
For a numismatist, that could be a cool tattoo.
16 Sep 2008, 3:29 pm
jawbrodt wrote:
ImTheGuyThatDidThat wrote:
jawbrodt wrote:
Wow, makes you wonder how many fakes are out there, that pass for genuines. I wonder if PCGS or NGC can distinguish between the two? That's scary.
I wonder if PCGS or NGC can distinguish between the two? That's scary.Once a type is discovered it gets easier, because every fake
will have the same die-marks or cast marks. We see alot! of
old, 1800-1900, coins here these days
i actually saw newson a local site today about a fake one on ebay, And one on a
local auction site here
they have singled out some typesand made up alot of those it seems, and they sell for around
$700-800 for each piece
One trick to find fakes, is checking the metal, often the mix of
metals are off or wrong metals. To do this without damaging the
coin theres someting called a "specific gravity scale".
Easily said, it states the relationship between the weight of an object
and the equivalent weight of water of the same volume. Every metal
has its density and weight so those scales find the weight of each
type of metal in the coin, and then how much of it thats there in %
how great is that, no more costly lab examinations (or sometimes one
might need that anyway, but it helps alot!) they cost around $450 and up
here
edit---
i just checked, the fake one on ebays has been removed
wow that was fast, impressive
..but theres another guy that have sold three fakes in two
weeks and he has the fourth out now
he will probably be stopped by ebay soon, people are complaining to them
Specific gravity, never thought about that being applied to coins. On my job as a diesetter, I had to check specific gravity, or density(as we called it), many times a day. We used it to determine that our product was up to customer specs, so I am very familiar with that process. It's cool to know that it actually has a use, outside of industry.
Its a little
yes - i dont have one myself, but planning on
getting one some time soon, eeger to test it and check it out.
As i understand the older types had scale-arms and water and
a tray you lowered into the water, but the new ones are tip-top
as i understand, userfriendly. Sounds like you know all there is
to know about it thru your job, very
16 Sep 2008, 3:34 pm
jawbrodt wrote:
ImTheGuyThatDidThat wrote:
*checks Fantom for pulse..*
he seems fine, i`ll just let him
sleep for a while longer
Nice looking coin silver all the way
and so much details
he seems fine, i`ll just let him
sleep for a while longer
Nice looking coin
silver all the wayand so much details
Sweet coin.
For a numismatist, that could be a cool tattoo. hm..hadn`t thought about that, maybe on my forehead
hehe
got my mind on my money and my money on my mind -
it is a nice motif/picture, imagine someone sat and carved that
into a hub, nice job - actually i know the name of the engraver
but of course i`m drawing a big blank now, typical
16 Sep 2008, 3:38 pm
16 Sep 2008, 3:40 pm
""""Nowdays you can purchase scales that do all the calculations for you"""
über and sweet
cheapest i`ve seen her was around $300 but i gladly
pay extra for quality instead of buying it twice so
have looked at some of the better models.
And i have a sneaking suspicion that those scales cost
alot less where you are, maybe - pretty much all other
electronic equp. over there is cheaper then here. But its
a little "special" equipment those scales so might cost about
the same
16 Sep 2008, 4:01 pm
16 Sep 2008, 5:02 pm
Where did everyone go? 
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16 Sep 2008, 5:06 pm
Hmmm, mysterious.........
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