10 Jun 2009, 10:44 am
10 Jun 2009, 11:32 am
ZEGH8578 wrote:
energy can go from the form of fertile land, into infertile milerals, salt and rock, remember. give it enoooouuugh time, and time there is plenty of.
I think we have a slight misunderstanding here. If you want to define fertile, define life. Other than that, it's another discussion. My point is that we obviously disagree about what energy is. It's not a material. It's not something you can fill a bucket with. Though it's both fertile and infertile land, salt, rock and minerals, it's also time and room/space. Energy is the basic single element that everything definable consist of. The fabric of space and time. You can never create energy and you can never delete energy. The amount of energy in the universe is a constant. The only property of energy is that it can change form. To human perception, one of those forms is light, one is matter (in various forms) and one is space/time. Without energy, we wouldn't have matter, time or space at all and those concepts would all have been meaningless. In exactly the same way as "before the big bang" or "outside the universe" both are expressions completely void of meanings whatsoever. And I'm not talking about 5 million or 5 billion years. I'm talking about billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of universe ages. The energy cannot disappear and thus the expression "the ultimate end" becomes logically impossible. And by that I don't mean "close to impossible", but impossible.ZEGH8578 wrote:
humanity existed naked for upto 5 million years (depending on how you define human), its mindboggling how relative this number is.
its infinite, and its nothing.
even if we survive for a million years before going extinct, or we go extinct tomorrow, it really wouldnt matter much.
thats why jobs never really interested me. societies. political parties. it sucks, as a species, to know that your headed nowhere
That's rather nihilistic. Instead, be happy you live right now and run about and achieve more happiness. There is no point to us being here in the big picture, but since we already have perceptions (even if puny), use them! its infinite, and its nothing.
even if we survive for a million years before going extinct, or we go extinct tomorrow, it really wouldnt matter much.
thats why jobs never really interested me. societies. political parties. it sucks, as a species, to know that your headed nowhere
10 Jun 2009, 12:05 pm
10 Jun 2009, 12:18 pm
kenjuudo, i know what you mean, i was just being uberdeep
everything is energy, if you break it down
such as... food 
quite litterally too
10 Jun 2009, 2:29 pm
10 Jun 2009, 4:17 pm
Aspie1 wrote:
I think the movie Soylent Green already covered that scenario. (Look it up on Wikipedia; if you want to see it but haven't, I don't want to spoil it.) But unlike in the movie, which was set in 2020 or so, I don't think the world will have to resort to eating soylent green anywhere in my lifetime. I will still be around, however, when we run out of oil, so I'm curious to see how that will play out. Time will tell.
I knew someone would bring up Soylent Green
I have seen it. By the time the population is bigger than the lands ability to provide food we'll be able to harvest algea from the sea. There would have to be more people than can physically fit on the planet's landmass before that source runs out. And we can always grow more food.
As far as oil goes we have a huge amount left. Much of it we've just begun to exploit. Even for that substitutes can be found.
12 Jun 2009, 4:28 pm
digger1 wrote:
TB wrote:
does any1 agree with me that the way we live right now is not reallistic.
this whole consumer industry and free economy needs to stop we keep putting more and more new people on this planet and we keep producing large amounts of stuff that is never going to be used.
the road we are going on right now is a dead end, at one point they will have to turn the way the world is being run upside down. that will only happen at the last moment when that dead end is right around the corner.
were going to run out of space and resources at some point.
the reason why we are living this way is because we are selfish. why would we change or care about the way we are consuming right now its only going to be a problem for next generations its not going to have any effect on our lives so why should we care right?.
the governments need to step in and take more control obviously we cant handle this much freedom. if you cant see whats wrong with just a couple people having milions of dollars just sitting on their bank while there is milions who have sh** then you are blind.
im not saying that im not living a selfish live but at least i dont lie to myself about whats going on.
this whole consumer industry and free economy needs to stop we keep putting more and more new people on this planet and we keep producing large amounts of stuff that is never going to be used.
the road we are going on right now is a dead end, at one point they will have to turn the way the world is being run upside down. that will only happen at the last moment when that dead end is right around the corner.
were going to run out of space and resources at some point.
the reason why we are living this way is because we are selfish. why would we change or care about the way we are consuming right now its only going to be a problem for next generations its not going to have any effect on our lives so why should we care right?.
the governments need to step in and take more control obviously we cant handle this much freedom. if you cant see whats wrong with just a couple people having milions of dollars just sitting on their bank while there is milions who have sh** then you are blind.
im not saying that im not living a selfish live but at least i dont lie to myself about whats going on.
The matrix has you.
01 Jul 2009, 2:20 am
