What should we call "American Indians"?

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14 Oct 2009, 12:26 pm

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But we could call both groups something else-like "american aborigines". Then you would be able to speak about "native american aborogines", and "immigrant american aborigines"- avoiding confusion and offensiveness.


You can distinguish between north south and meso americans so that the immigrant american aborigine becomes reduntant.

So north american aborigine would be the modern day 'native american'. Meso american aborigine would your mexican friends crossing the rio grande and south american aborigines would be further south trying to save themselves from the CIA.

Ironic that the people's who were 'introduced' to the spanish language are now bringing it back.


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Thats like calling people in the US "germanics" because a lot of the words of English are derived from German roots.



beofre the current spanish speakers immigration influx it was Germans who settled America, i'd guess that close to 50% of modern North americans are descended from germans.


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14 Oct 2009, 1:32 pm

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Thats like calling people in the US "germanics" because a lot of the words of English are derived from German roots.

English words do not come from German. They are Germanic.
Big difference.


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beofre the current spanish speakers immigration influx it was Germans who settled America, i'd guess that close to 50% of modern North americans are descended from germans.

Actually, America was an English colony.

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Hm... I'm 1/32 Cherokee, 31/32 white (mostly English and Danish). What do you call me?


White.

Hey, that small amount of Cherokee shows!
...I'm slightly darker than many untanned white people. :)



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14 Oct 2009, 2:15 pm

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Humans?


In the film "Little Big Man" the tribe shown called themselves the "Human Beings." Great movie BTW.

I was starting to tell my wife that Leif Eriksson discovered the Americas before Columbus, but stopped myself in mid sentence when I remembered that American Aborigines did first. Those born in the U.S. should be referred to as natively born Americans to avoid confusion. When I hear Native Americans, I assume it refers to the aborigines.


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14 Oct 2009, 3:04 pm

Yes "Latin" as in "Latin American" is a kinda odd term.

Canada and the USA are not referred to as German America- but they are
sometimes called "anglo america"- as in anglo saxon. The Anglos, and Saxons, ofcourse were the Germanic barbarian tribes who kicked the Celts out of the best parts of Britain during the Dark Ages and became the English. The Celts fled to the hills and became the Welsh and the Scots, and the Irish.

The whole western hemisphere from Patagonia to the Rio Grande was conquered
by Spain- except for that big chunk of land that was seized by Portugal that became the modern country of Brazil.

So they cant call the vast area "spanish america"- because almost half of it is the one Portugese speaking country of Brazil.
It should have been dubbed "Iberian America"- since both mother countries of South and Cental America share the Iberian peninsula of Europe.

The whole south east corner of Europe ( France, Italy, Spain and Portugal) are a linguestic remnant of the Roman Empire where they all speak languages descendant from Latin

So if being "Latin" is the criteria this raises an interesting question: Is Quebec then part of "Latin" America?

The Canadian province is French speaking-and French is also a "Latin" language akin to Spanish and Portugese and its in the Americas so logially it would be part of "Latin America".

The Quebecouis certainly dont consider themselves to be part of "Anglo-Saxon" America!



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16 Oct 2009, 6:32 pm

First Nations is current usage for the tribes.

Tribes is not the right word for there were many forms of political organization, which united many nations.

The Algonquin Federation, six nations, which Ben Franklin had their Constitution translated, and used in his draft. The Five Civilized Nations of the Southeast.

Mayan was a trade language used by many who spoke another at home. The same for Spanish, Hispanic means Spanish speaker, but I met many who also spoke an older language at home, in their town, and English on the Internet.

Both the Aztec and Inca had cities larger than Europe.

The Mound Builders reached from the Ohio Valley into Mexico, with a vast trade network 3,000 years ago.

The conquest of the new world was mosty by Small Pox. Columbus landed once and is credited with killing 25 million.

500 years before Lief Ericson the Numidians came, fleeing the Romans in the days of Claudius.

200 years before Columbus the Mandan came from Wales, fleeing the Normand Conquest, brown hair, light eyes, Welsh speaking when the Americans came and killed them.

Copper for the European Bronze Age came from the Great Lakes.

Neolithic graves have Jade from the Americas, and Egyptian mummies were enbaumed with tobacco and cocain.

According to Plato, Atlantis had an empire larger than Asia and Africa combined on the other side of the ocean named for them. Only they had the secret of Oracalium, which was a metal, Ora=gold, Calium=copper. Brass, bronze. Copper from the Great Lakes, Tin from Wales, the Welsh have a lot of First Nation genes.

Going way back, 15,000 years, Norwegians and Ojibewa, Souix, share a genetic line.

A historically correct name would be Atlantis, and Atlantians.



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16 Oct 2009, 6:42 pm

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According to Plato, Atlantis had an empire larger than Asia and Africa combined on the other side of the ocean named for them. Only they had the secret of Oracalium, which was a metal, Ora=gold, Calium=copper. Brass, bronze. Copper from the Great Lakes, Tin from Wales, the Welsh have a lot of First Nation genes.

Going way back, 15,000 years, Norwegians and Ojibewa, Souix, share a genetic line.

A historically correct name would be Atlantis, and Atlantians.

Please excuse my uncontrollable laughter. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:



In the end, I'm going with "Native Americans".



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17 Oct 2009, 12:01 am

The Lakota simply refer to then selves as The People, I am a Metis like alot of people in Western Canada call themselves.
I am not east indian or a atlantian :roll:



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17 Oct 2009, 2:11 am

ethnic americans... maybe?

BTW

i'm not from the caucasus ... so why am i called caucasian then?? my father is dutch and my mother danish. neither of them have ever been near the caucasus....

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17 Oct 2009, 2:42 am

i guess if you want to keep the "indian" sound sorta. you could use old west slang and say, "injun" instead

native american works equally well


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17 Oct 2009, 4:37 am

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ethnic americans... maybe?

i'm not from the caucasus ... so why am i called caucasian then?? my father is dutch and my mother danish. neither of them have ever been near the caucasus....


Actually you are. Read this site http://www.white-history.com/

When we read the fairy stories about wolves and princesses and forests we are hearing the earliest stories from our race. Stories from thousands of years in our past.

"They is us!"

"English" = Anglo Saxon = Germans from Anglia and Saxony. And where did THEY come from?
From the Caucasus.



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17 Oct 2009, 4:44 am

Names do not have to serve as literal descriptions of objects. Very often, in natural language they don't. So I don't see the issue here; just stick with the "Native American" label. The Hispanic benefits question is a law and immigration-related matter that doesn't have much to do with this.



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17 Oct 2009, 5:48 am

Wombat wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
ethnic americans... maybe?

i'm not from the caucasus ... so why am i called caucasian then?? my father is dutch and my mother danish. neither of them have ever been near the caucasus....


Actually you are. Read this site http://www.white-history.com/

When we read the fairy stories about wolves and princesses and forests we are hearing the earliest stories from our race. Stories from thousands of years in our past.

"They is us!"

"English" = Anglo Saxon = Germans from Anglia and Saxony. And where did THEY come from?
From the Caucasus.


i know... guess you missed the smiley wink.. ;-)

but that implicates that native americans are.... tada... indians? maybe after all? ;-)



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18 Oct 2009, 7:58 pm

In Canada we use a number of terms:

First Nations are the original groups of indigenous Canadians who are not Inuit. (So, for example, the Dene nations in the Yukon are First Nations, not Inuit). A person who is a member of one of these nations might refer to himself or herself as a, "First Nations Person", or occasionally with a usage like, "I am First Nations."

"Indian" is used only legally, because the Indian Act still uses that term and the Constitution still refers to the federal power over, "Indians and lands set aside for Indians."

The Metis are people who share mixed aboriginal and other (usually european) ancestry.

The term, "aboriginal" incorporates First Nations' people, Metis and Inuit.


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18 Oct 2009, 9:36 pm

The haywire.....that was my first thought also....humans (?).

Indigenous Americans.... that allows individuals to still indentify with whatever their tribe of origin.


In Australia the Aboriginal Peoples of Victoria refer to themselves as Koori as a collective noun...whilst there are many tribes....Yorta Yorta being but one.

In more northern states the term is Murri. There are probably other collective nouns used by people in other states but my ignorance on the matter is a handicap.

There may be a similar type of collective noun system used by the indigenous americans.... ask them.


Regarding the French and French speaking people of Quebec..... I thought French was a Romance Language... and that Spanish, Italian, Portuguese were Latin..... Portuguese seems a bit of a mix of Latin and Romance on the ear and in some of the spelling..... so with that one I'm not too sure.



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18 Oct 2009, 9:41 pm

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You know what I don't get? The term "latino" to refer to a mexican.

??

From looking into it just a little bit it seems to come from the fact that the Spanish language originates with Latin. Do they call people in Spain "latinos"? Because it seems to be a mostly Central/South American thing.

Thats like calling people in the US "germanics" because a lot of the words of English are derived from German roots.

So wierd. :?


Why don't they call French, Italian, or Romanian people Latinos as well.


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18 Oct 2009, 9:49 pm

X_Parasite wrote:
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According to Plato, Atlantis had an empire larger than Asia and Africa combined on the other side of the ocean named for them. Only they had the secret of Oracalium, which was a metal, Ora=gold, Calium=copper. Brass, bronze. Copper from the Great Lakes, Tin from Wales, the Welsh have a lot of First Nation genes.

Going way back, 15,000 years, Norwegians and Ojibewa, Souix, share a genetic line.

A historically correct name would be Atlantis, and Atlantians.

Please excuse my uncontrollable laughter. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:



In the end, I'm going with "Native Americans".


so you are OK to call non native migrants to the Northern and Southern continents that were there millennia before Amerigo Vespucci was even born . . . :roll:


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