Does it upset you when ill people reproduce?

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26 Apr 2010, 2:49 pm

the world is overpopulated PERIOD. PERIOD. PERIOD

not only should reproduction no longer be a right, it should be severely restricted across the globe, across cultures and social status.
it should be as close to banned altogether as possible. its the only logical solution, but we ignore it as much as we can.

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26 Apr 2010, 3:51 pm

GuyTypingOnComputer wrote:

I am having a tough time reconciling your "bible study" with your view of reproduction by individuals you deem genetically undesirable. What religion is this?

LOL. Sorry, that has nothing to do with it. I was just saying that because it was at bible study.

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26 Apr 2010, 5:12 pm

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CockneyRebel wrote:

I think that every person on this planet should procreate.

But what if they had a host of terrible illnesses? All genetic? And the chance of their child getting many of them was virtually certain?

And? So? It's one thing to decide you don't want kids because you don't want them to have whatever you personally might be carrying. It is quite another to presume to make that decision for other people. When you say, "that person shouldn't reproduce because they might have a child who has the same genetic issues as them" you are essentially saying "that person's life isn't good enough...wouldn't want another one." It is ableism to presume that a particular disability means another person's life just shouldn't happen. Make that decision for yourself, but to presume to make it for other people????? Not cool. And yes, it is ironic because there are an awful lot of people who would agree with you about how certain people shouldn't reproduce because of their genetics but they wouldn't agree with you that there should be an Aspie Exemption. Don't lie down with snakes or you will get bitten.

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26 Apr 2010, 5:19 pm

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You are not alone. I am against eugenic abortion; I would prefer and hope that the parties involved would be mature enough to realize the risks involved and make their decision carefully. When I learned that my ex (dx'd with terminal neurological condition) and her spouse (severe bone disorder) were 'proud to announce they were going to try and have kids' I about threw a fit. With both conditions, there is a 50% chance of transmission - known correlation - giving their child a 25% chance of having both. If that is their decision, so be it (not the one I would make) but I don't believe they realize the consequences of their actions. This is not just a quality of life issue, but a potential death sentence.

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Being born is an absolute death sentence. When you say "those people shouldn't have kids because of their DNA" you are essentially saying "those people have terrible lives because of their DNA". When they decide to have kids despite their DNA, they are simply disagreeing with your assessment of their terribleness of their lives.

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26 Apr 2010, 6:47 pm

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I don't mean to offend anyone. I don't think it's bad that they exist or anything, but they should have at least thought about how it would affect their baby before getting pregnant. .

How do you know they didn't? Just because they made a different decision than you would have made doesn't mean they didn't think about it carefully. For all you know, they got a lot of medical advice and decided it was a reasonable risk.

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27 Apr 2010, 11:47 am

I suppose that could be good enough reason. Better have a life than not one at all? But then no one knows. If you weren't born to one set of parents, your conscience might end up in someone else.
It's funny someone mentioned snakes. I have one under my shirt right now ^^

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27 Apr 2010, 12:24 pm

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There's this girl at my bible study. She is not a very healthy person. She almost died as a baby because of a defective heart or something, and she is pre-diabetic, and has a crooked spine, and several other things I can't remember. And she has bloodless, slightly sallow skin, not very attractive, and a body shape which suggests she's less-than-healthful.
I'm not trying to be mean or anything. Like really. Just everything about this girl breathes unhealthy genetics. And bad genes run in her family from both sides. Anyways, she was telling us during bible study about how her one aunt (also with a host of illnesses, worse than hers) had been trying to get pregnant for the longest time, and finally did. She was happy about this news!
I felt like yelling at her, and asking her if she really thought that was something to be glad about. Now, despite mother nature yelling at her to stop trying, this woman is going to bring a baby into the world who will most certainly have a plethora of health problems. And now it will have to undergo extra drama during its life, extra worries, and extra costs for medications and treatments.

I know this probably sounds terribly harsh, but it is true if you think about it. How would you have reacted?
I don't mean to offend anyone. I don't think it's bad that they exist or anything, but they should have at least thought about how it would affect their baby before getting pregnant. It seems like selfish thinking. It for some reason just really pissed me off when this girl told us about that. I practically had to force myself from making any comments.

So do you think that aspies shouldn't be allowed to breed, or just people who don't fit you idea of perfection.

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27 Apr 2010, 12:34 pm

Everyone is taking this the wrong way. I think I'll stop.

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27 Apr 2010, 1:02 pm

Friskey, the spectrum isn't being mentioned here by the OP - sickly is at issue. I find it troubling that my ex is choosing to have kids despite the fact she will not be able to care for them and likely will not live through their middle school years... this I personally find irresponsible. But the OP did not bring ASD status into the equation.

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27 Apr 2010, 2:09 pm

Friskeygirl wrote:

So do you think that aspies shouldn't be allowed to breed, or just people who don't fit you idea of perfection.

I don't think someone's idea of perfection is meant. It's more like...not breeding for something like looks. Like I would be a bad egg genetically because my health issues could be passed down to future generations. That what would count is your being healthy, not anything like your looks. I can't put it right. In the short story, Mother Earth, there's this brilliant conversation between two characters who are discussing just something like this, and one of them manages to communicate just perfectly what I'm trying to say. I don't have the book with me right now to quote it right.

But this precise topic is one of the things I love most about Spacer culture.

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27 Apr 2010, 3:32 pm

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But this precise topic is one of the things I love most about Spacer culture.

What's spacer culture?

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27 Apr 2010, 5:02 pm

Everything upsets me, especially people procreating who aren't me. I'm healthy as well! Apart from my diseased brain.

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27 Apr 2010, 5:20 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:

I think that every person on this planet should procreate.

You're the opposite to me, I think every person on the planet should stop reproducing. We already have 6 billion people, let's not make it 9 billion.

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27 Apr 2010, 6:34 pm

I think its definietely troubling, especially when you can pass on your deathly physical ailments to your children, then I do think its wrong to reproduce.

@ Makuronososhi - Though the OP did not bring ASD into the equation, it could certainly apply as there are those out there who believe ASD sufferers shouldn't reproduce either.

Though personally I think it is irresponsible for Aspies to reproduce too. I would never have children because I wouldn't want my children to be autistic and go through what I had to.

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27 Apr 2010, 6:44 pm

Spazzergasm wrote:

persian85033 wrote:

I don't think it's irony, as I think it's mostly, like physical conditions. Like I would be very upset if a nice or nephew of mine was ever diagnosed with epilepsy. I mean, do you think those meds, those appts, the insurance and all that is cheap? Or easy? Because eventually, you know, as I found out, they're going to have to start paying for it all themselves, as my parents say they're MY medications, they're MY copays, and making the phone calls, setting up MY appointments, calling MY insurance.

Oh man, yeah.

And you're sitting there going "THANKS, dad, THANKS, mom. :roll:

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I remembered one of the strange infirmities their family has. Well it isn't a bad thing, rather cool, actually. But it isn't a good sign.
They have extra digits! My friend's brother inherited 12 toes!

They will be better at math! That is how I got to college- extra toes, and I was an accountant for 18 years!*

*results not typical

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27 Apr 2010, 6:53 pm

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But if we prosper and outnumber the NTs it would be better for the children than it had been for us, and they can take over the world. Seriously, children are being identified very rapidly now from what I have read. Things could be better for them, realistically. But when we are talking mitochondrial disease, fragile X, and such, for which there is no treatment or cure, only certain early death, it would be irresponsible to try to have children. It is why people have genetic counseling and sometimes try to have a certain gender to avoid passing on dangerous illnesses.

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