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28 Apr 2010, 12:34 pm

It depends on how you use the term.


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28 Apr 2010, 12:36 pm

Ebonwinter wrote:
I say it heavily relies on context and situation as others have mentioned before, if you are talking about someone who is Jewish or of Jewish decent then it is ok. However it has been used lately to insult people and such.

I think its the way the OP see's how the word is used in a hateful way that disturbs him, as alot of cultures use
the term as an insult or label,look at how Cartman use's the term in South Park for example.

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Yes it is. Being Jewish isn't just a religion, it is indeed a race as well.
It's not a race, it's an ethnic group. :wink:

As far as I know Jew is not just one race as there are several races that call them selves Jewish.



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28 Apr 2010, 1:55 pm

I am still not sure on whether Judaism is a race or religion. I have heard both, but I had traditionally been inclined to think that it's a religion, because people can convert to it, or convert from Judaism to another religion. One can change their religion, but they cannot change their race.

In either case, it's something that they identify with a great deal.


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28 Apr 2010, 1:57 pm

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If I said Amy Winehouse is Jewish or Amy Winehouse is British Jew, it would be sth wrong? :roll:

In bold: What does "sth" mean? I've seen you type that quite a few times.


Something :D
So is it wrong?

I think if someone told me You Pole! I'd tell Soh vaaaaat?! (exactly this way). No nation is a reason to shame.


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28 Apr 2010, 2:03 pm

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It's not racist, it's anti-semitic.


no...

It's not bad. It's just a fact.



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28 Apr 2010, 2:04 pm

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28 Apr 2010, 2:12 pm

I used to feel the same way. I grew up in an area where there are no Jewish people at all, but I went to a college that's around 30% Jewish. An acquaintance of mine is an Orthodox Jew, and I finally asked her if she was offended by people who used the word "Jew" as a descriptor. She said that she wasn't, and even thought it was silly that I might think so.

I think that I felt it was a rude way of describing people because it's also used as a verb in a very offensive and bigoted fashion.

I still avoid using the phrase "the Jews" because I think it implies that one feels that Jews are a monolithic group. The same goes for other "the (ethnicity)" phrases, e.g. "the Mexicans". It sounds like something my grandparents might say. :oops:

Tim_Tex, Jewish is both a religious and an ethnic identifier. One can be an ethnic Jew without practicing the religion of Judaism, if that makes sense. It is a central part of identity, and that's why I think describing someone as "a Jew" rather than "a Jewish person" is okay.



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28 Apr 2010, 4:17 pm

I wouldn't think it's racist unless used in a dubious context. In any case,isn't being Jewish more of a religion than a race ? In the 8th Century a race called the Khazars from the Caucusus mountains converted en masse to Judaism.They moved through Russia and Europe and many people who today consider themselves Jewish will ultimately be descended from the Khazars as well as different races from around the world.
As an example of something being used in a dubious context I can use my own nationality,Scottish.It's been known in some European countries for advertising campaigns to have slogans like "Our products are so cheap that even a Scot would buy them" .This plays up to a stereotypical notion that Scots are thrifty,if not mean ! I don't find it offensive,just bemusing that people can fall for stereotypes and I imagine Jewish people sometimes feel the same.


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28 Apr 2010, 4:56 pm

aspartame wrote:
Tim_Tex, Jewish is both a religious and an ethnic identifier. One can be an ethnic Jew without practicing the religion of Judaism,


This is true. While my sister is proud of her ethnicty as a Jew, she has not practiced Judaism for many years. (She is an active Pagan.) She calls herself a Jew, but does not consider herself Jewish. I'm not Jewish myself, but the majority of my friends growing up were, and none of them (to my knowledge) objected to being called a Jew. However, it does seem like a loaded word, because the Jews have experienced such terrible treatment. I understand being hesitant to use it, and preferring to say, "a Jewish person" rather than "a Jew."

Of course, using it in a negative context does, in fact, turn the term anti-semitic, and "Jew" should never be used that way.



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29 Apr 2010, 3:05 am

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I wouldn't think it's racist unless used in a dubious context. In any case,isn't being Jewish more of a religion than a race ? In the 8th Century a race called the Khazars from the Caucusus mountains converted en masse to Judaism.They moved through Russia and Europe and many people who today consider themselves Jewish will ultimately be descended from the Khazars as well as different races from around the world.
As an example of something being used in a dubious context I can use my own nationality,Scottish.It's been known in some European countries for advertising campaigns to have slogans like "Our products are so cheap that even a Scot would buy them" .This plays up to a stereotypical notion that Scots are thrifty,if not mean ! I don't find it offensive,just bemusing that people can fall for stereotypes and I imagine Jewish people sometimes feel the same.


Actually, the majority of Khazars converted to Islam after the Mongols destroyed their kingdom in the Middle Ages. While it may very well be true that some Khazars had drifted westward to become absorbed into European Jewry, DNA testing reveals most European Jews even today are almost indistinguishable from Palestinians, Lebanese, and Syrians. The Khazars as Jews historical theory unfortunately has been taken up by white supremacists and anti-Semites, who try to prove today's Jews are not real Jews. Many of them even try to prove white, north Europeans are the real Israelites!

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29 Apr 2010, 12:56 pm

pluto wrote:
I wouldn't think it's racist unless used in a dubious context. .


XD You mean like. Oh, you Jew. :evil:
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29 Apr 2010, 5:16 pm

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pluto wrote:
I wouldn't think it's racist unless used in a dubious context. In any case,isn't being Jewish more of a religion than a race ? In the 8th Century a race called the Khazars from the Caucusus mountains converted en masse to Judaism.They moved through Russia and Europe and many people who today consider themselves Jewish will ultimately be descended from the Khazars as well as different races from around the world.
As an example of something being used in a dubious context I can use my own nationality,Scottish.It's been known in some European countries for advertising campaigns to have slogans like "Our products are so cheap that even a Scot would buy them" .This plays up to a stereotypical notion that Scots are thrifty,if not mean ! I don't find it offensive,just bemusing that people can fall for stereotypes and I imagine Jewish people sometimes feel the same.


Actually, the majority of Khazars converted to Islam after the Mongols destroyed their kingdom in the Middle Ages. While it may very well be true that some Khazars had drifted westward to become absorbed into European Jewry, DNA testing reveals most European Jews even today are almost indistinguishable from Palestinians, Lebanese, and Syrians. The Khazars as Jews historical theory unfortunately has been taken up by white supremacists and anti-Semites, who try to prove today's Jews are not real Jews. Many of them even try to prove white, north Europeans are the real Israelites!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Thanks for explaining.Incidentally,I've always found the term 'anti-Semite' rather strange,because Semitic in a wider sense includes Arabs in the modern world,as well as ancient peoples such as Assyrians,Babylonians and Phoenicians.The group includes the people who were the source of Judaism,Christianity and Islam.They also invented the alphabet,so if it wasn't for Semitic people I might not have been able to formulate this post :)


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30 Apr 2010, 6:06 pm

I think saying Jew instead of Jewish has gotten to be more polite. My dad is Jewish and I grew up with many Jews. As a kid I remember we didn't say "Jew" we said "Jewish" when we were being polite. Saying Jew wasn't really a racial slur but it seemed more like slang. Nowadays that doesn't seem to be the case at all. Jew is completely acceptable as a descriptor. Maybe it's because Jerry Seinfeld popularized it.

My ex husband shocked me by saying "don't try to Jew me." I'd never heard that before. It means to bargain and plays on the stereotype of Jews being good business people and good at bargaining (my Dad is the worst at finding a bargain!). It's usually used to insinuate that the person drove too hard of a bargain and took advantage of the seller.

So, I'd say: As a noun it's fine. As a verb it's insulting.



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30 Apr 2010, 6:32 pm

Kiley wrote:
I think saying Jew instead of Jewish has gotten to be more polite. My dad is Jewish and I grew up with many Jews. As a kid I remember we didn't say "Jew" we said "Jewish" when we were being polite. Saying Jew wasn't really a racial slur but it seemed more like slang. Nowadays that doesn't seem to be the case at all. Jew is completely acceptable as a descriptor. Maybe it's because Jerry Seinfeld popularized it.

My ex husband shocked me by saying "don't try to Jew me." I'd never heard that before. It means to bargain and plays on the stereotype of Jews being good business people and good at bargaining (my Dad is the worst at finding a bargain!). It's usually used to insinuate that the person drove too hard of a bargain and took advantage of the seller.

So, I'd say: As a noun it's fine. As a verb it's insulting.


"Jew" is a noun, "Jewish" is an adjective.

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30 Apr 2010, 10:20 pm

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01 May 2010, 5:50 am

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As a Jew myself, I don't find it offensive, and I would say that neither do any other Jewish people I know. There's really not another word for it, is there? I don't think it's any more offensive than calling someone white or black.


As another fellow Jew I agree!


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