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I'm a bit peeved that you had to jump in so aggressively, but that's just par for the course round here.

I don't know why people can't have threads about their thing without having a bunch of hard line logicians and rationalists storming in to rubbish anything that isn't canonical western science.

I wish there was a better option for people to post such things, but I can see why PPR was chosen.

Newbies don't necessarily know that PPR is where people go when they want to have their ideas or beliefs ripped to pieces for sport, or to do the same to others.

It would be alright if they knew what they were talking about. But it just comes across as bigoted, cos, well, it is.

bigotry
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big·ot·ry
   /ˈbɪgətri/ Show Spelled[big-uh-tree] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ries.
1.
stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
2.
the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

Sorry, man, I don't write the rules, I just point them out. I know an intelligent discussion among peers when I see one, and "Astrology = Fake" is just... umm... I think the word ignorant is even useful here.

ig·no·rant
   /ˈɪgnərənt/ Show Spelled[ig-ner-uhnt] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.
lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3.
uninformed; unaware.
4.
due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

Holy damn. I'm using words for what they mean!

To answer your vitriolic question, Vigilans, one can be educated in Astrology the same way they can be educated in anything else: through proper study.

At last I just found my charts

Had a both a birth & progression (for 2008) charts done three years for a woman who training to an astrologer as payment in kind for fixing her laptop. my midheaven is in cancer. Mercury & Venus have a lot of say in my birth chart.

Sorry, but I'm a skeptic. If you don't like that, fine, but I am not bigoted- sorry I hurt your feelings. It seems pretty much standard for you astrology fanatics to start crying bigotry and ignorance when people question you. The fact is astrology is a creed of ignorance. I could be an astrologer- all you need to do is write vague statements that can be read into by anybody. Its a multimillion dollar industry about nothing. But if it makes you happy, enjoy!

Astrology is to Astronomy what Scientology is to Science

Additionally my question wasn't vitriolic. It was simply a question.

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Isn't "astrology geek" an oxymoron?

My Midheaven is Aquarius, too.

However, my sun is in Leo - which is not an 'aspie' sign.

But then, you can always say, 'but that's just one part of your chart'.

Astrology used to be a special interest of mine, though I really think it's all bunk. I'm still obsessed with people's birthdays. I go through WP profiles and memorise clients' birthdays at work. Yes, creepy I know! I've noticed that astrology is vague enough that you can make it fit anyone's personality.

If you must know: I have 6 retrograde planets in my chart. Yes, most people have a few, but that's a high number. My Mercury is retrograding through Cancer. If I believed in Astrology, I would say that is what aspifies me. I live in my own little world and I see people trying to communicate with me as threatening, so being withdrawn is my defence mechanism. It's the crab-shell thing.*

Uranus and Pluto don't move fast enough to have much of an impact of individual personalities: they affect whole generations. If your Uranus and Pluto make you aspie, then it would make everyone born in the same year an aspie, too. If you're talking about Pluto, then everyone in the same decade.

* DISCLAIMER: I don't really believe this stuff, really, I don't, even though it might sound like I do

I don't think a two word sentence with an equal sign is that aggressive. If anything Apx is acting pretty aggressively as well as name calling through implication. But that's fine, I can take it

You've called us ignorant. She's called you ignorant. Unless one side can definitively claim that astrology is bunk then you're both right, in a way. I personally am agnostic veering towards a suspicion that astrology may have some validity, due to studies I have made on the subject.

Your intention entering this thread seems purely about showing that you think astrology is nonsense, and attempting to persuade others of same. I consider that aggressive in a thread that has not invited it. I know that is standard operating procedure in PPR, so I can sort of forgive it. I'm not a PPR native, and it doesn't go down well with me.

Haha, I love Astrology. We just learned more about each other than probably most people know about us. That was pretty interesting. I think you're right about Uranus for sure, it looks like it would have a huge effect on you. I would also recommend looking into the GFCF diet if you haven't, though, as certain foods can contribute to negative autistic traits in some (true for me.)

Where's Mars and Pluto?

Yeah, I am both a hoot and terrifying I think... My Mars is in Cancer, also, which makes for a strange Mars energy for sure.

@Moog: Well, to be fair, she was the one who brought ignorance into this discussion. I think astrology is silly, but I don't think either of you are ignorant. I don't know either of you in person, I am somewhat familiar with you, Moog, and I definitely don't think you're ignorant- Apx, I am not familiar with, but calling her ignorant because of one belief would be ignorant itself. I actually have not referred to anybody as ignorant, but I do feel that astrology is ignorant- it makes assumptions about space and planets that are untrue. If one were to read into astronomy, for example, the whole concept of astrology seems rather odd in the modern age.
I really don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, I'm really sorry that I bothered voicing my opinion on the matter here. She could have just ignored my post

Well, looking back, I don't think she called you a bigot either, just your opinion on astrology was bigoted.

That comment about scientology stung. If you aren't trying to be hurtful, maybe you could keep cute one liners like that out of it.

I don't know much about astronomy, I am open minded. I don't see you coming up with anything non vague about why astrology is invalid, only that it seems odd in the modern age. Everything seems odd in the modern age to me. How do astrologers make assumptions about space and planets? What are those assumptions? I've heard many different ideas about why and how astrology works.

Sorry, but you're not actually using words for what they mean.

skep·tic
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–noun
1.
a person who questions the validity or authenticity of something purporting to be factual.
2.
a person who maintains a doubting attitude, as toward values, plans, statements, or the character of others.
3.
a person who doubts the truth of a religion, especially christianity, or of important elements of it.
4.
( initial capital letter ) Philosophy .
a.
a member of a philosophical school of ancient Greece, the earliest group of which consisted of Pyrrho and his followers, who maintained that real knowledge of things is impossible.
b.
any later thinker who doubts or questions the possibility of real knowledge of any kind.

Think about it real well. You're not actually behaving this way at all. Like, not at all. I would welcome a skeptic, as they sound very thoughtful and interesting, and similar to me. You are behaving like an ignorant bigot.

Ignorant: You don't seem to know much at all about Astrology. What you call Astrology I also think is stupid, but you carry on like you're actually making a point.

Bigoted not Skeptical: You're approaching the subject with a pre-formed attitude of it being "false", not one of doubting the validity. To doubt is different, it implies room for learning. You definitely don't sound like a person who healthily doubts the possibility of real knowledge, you sound like the opposite, a person who believes there is a truth which he must hold on to tightly.

I really am just trying to use words properly. You seem to think misusing words is OK and I really don't appreciate it in any context.

I have a big problem with people referring to skepticism as bigotry and ignorance



Sorry, but I feel it is accurate. I know people who base their decisions on astrology, which is, to me, illogical and unwise



Well, I would first like to hear why astrology is valid. One common assumption is that the 'sign' you are born under somehow affects the person you will be. However astronomically, signs do not exist. If you were to look at the local region of space three dimensionally, you would see that, for example, the stars the make up Orion's belt are not actually anywhere near each other
I also have spoken to people that discriminate based on your sign. So that is essentially discriminating based on nothing.


@Apx: You don't like what I stand for, so you refer to me as a bigot. Get over it. Instead of posting verbatim quotes perhaps you could provide me some evidence that astrology is actually based in reality. You are making assumptions on what I know about astrology. Stop making assumptions and insulting my intelligence, and actually provide something tangible. I apologize for hurting your feelings but now you're just wasting my time. I fit all those definitions of skeptic besides the fact that I'm not part of a Greek philosophical school. You don't like my opinion, so you call me a bigot and refuse to recognize my skepticism. Give me a break

The sad thing is many great thinkers have enjoyed Astrology, among them Albert Einstein and Carl Yung, and yet today's "skeptics" and "scientists" have no knowledge or patience for the subject. Here's just one link I found short notice, but if anyone is interested they can look into it for themselves.

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/03/einstein-on-astrology.html

There is really no reason to be so against something you don't even understand; that is perhaps the only reason to be, in fact.

Astrology is ruled by the same planet that rules Astronomy, space travel, mad scientists, and leaps in science, so you may as well just get used to us. We're all in the same boat.