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11 Sep 2011, 4:29 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
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really bugs me when there's a memorial or remberance for particular people and you get folk using it as an opportunity to make some sort of point on something else


Exactly- like using deaths to incite nationalism.
Disgusting.


"exactly". does that make you a self-confessed hypocrite:/

people should be allowed to remember and grieve tragic deaths without people barging in with political crap.
it's not about every single death that's ever occured due to some kind of wrong in the world- it's about particular deaths on a particular occassion and i hope people more closely effected arent expposed to your inapropriate interjections because i for one would be very upset by them



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11 Sep 2011, 5:15 pm

Ambivalence wrote:
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really bugs me when there's a memorial or remberance for particular people and you get folk using it as an opportunity to make some sort of point on something else


Exactly- like using deaths to incite nationalist zeal and woe.
Disgusting.


It's not like they just upped and died, is it? Someone saw fit to murder them. Though I suppose ignoring their killers is fair play.


I agree- it's telling when people ignore mass suffering and murder and refuse to acknowledge those responsible.


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11 Sep 2011, 5:19 pm

OneStepBeyond wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
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really bugs me when there's a memorial or remberance for particular people and you get folk using it as an opportunity to make some sort of point on something else


Exactly- like using deaths to incite nationalism.
Disgusting.


"exactly". does that make you a self-confessed hypocrite:/

people should be allowed to remember and grieve tragic deaths without people barging in with political crap.
it's not about every single death that's ever occured due to some kind of wrong in the world- it's about particular deaths on a particular occassion and i hope people more closely effected arent expposed to your inapropriate interjections because i for one would be very upset by them


I think you quoted the wrong person- I agreed with what you said-
I think it's tragic and very upsetting when people use politics, nationalism, racism, etc, to downplay horrific suffering and deliberate killing.


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11 Sep 2011, 5:29 pm

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11 Sep 2011, 5:30 pm

:scratch:


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11 Sep 2011, 5:31 pm

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RIP to the hundreds of thousands who suffer and die daily, to the indifference of the insulated


I don't understand what this is all about, ValentineWiggin. Could you be so kind as to enlighten me? I'd be ever so grateful...


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11 Sep 2011, 5:34 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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RIP to the hundreds of thousands who suffer and die daily, to the indifference of the insulated


I don't understand what this is all about, ValentineWiggin. Could you be so kind as to enlighten me? I'd be ever so grateful...


I'm super-confused as to how the thread has-since turned, myself- I was joining the OP in mourning for those who die at the hands of others.


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11 Sep 2011, 5:34 pm

My younger brother and I had got up early to watch the cartoons before school. I was 13. We turned on the TV, and saw the emergency broadcast of the towers with smoke billowing out, and footage of the planes flying into the towers. We ran into our parents bedroom to wake them up, but before we could say anything mum sat up in bed and said that she'd had horrible dreams of planes crashing and people dying.


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11 Sep 2011, 5:34 pm

I was working on an IT contract in south London when one of my colleagues came over to tell me he'd received a call from his wife, telling him about the first plane hitting the north tower.
Various news sites were checked and as word spread through the office, all work stopped pretty quickly with us all piling into a side office to watch it unfold on TV. Some people were in tears and I think most were rendered completely numb by the scale of it all.
The commute back home in the evening was very different; everyone was quiet and subdued, and there seemed to be none of the usual pushing and shoving on the Underground.

Of course the evening TV was full of it and by now there were more detailed reports of how people at ground level were affected - especially at the collapse of the towers. I spent most of the evening in front of the TV; in shock and in tears.
And then came news and images of the jumpers. Oh dear God, that is just too terrible to think about even now.


What really annoys me about the event subsequently is the unceasing nonsense spouted by "truthers". I would think that the people directly involved with all this have quite enough problems without inane pseudo-scientific claptrap being pushed as evidence for it being an inside job.
It wasn't; America got caught out. It doesn't need to be any more horrifying than that.


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11 Sep 2011, 5:36 pm

I was 8 and just come home from school and was mega annoyed that the news was on instead of CITV.


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11 Sep 2011, 5:39 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
RIP to the hundreds of thousands who suffer and die daily, to the indifference of the insulated


I don't understand what this is all about, ValentineWiggin. Could you be so kind as to enlighten me? I'd be ever so grateful...


I'm super-confused as to how the thread has-since turned, myself- I was joining the OP in mourning for those who die at the hands of others.


I'm confused as well. Oh well... :?


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11 Sep 2011, 5:42 pm

Hi,Cornflakes, I am in America, California, actually, anyhow, I'd like to know more about 'truthers' and 'inside job'.....Sylkat :?:



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11 Sep 2011, 5:44 pm

^^ Google is your friend - but be prepared to suspend all disbelief.


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11 Sep 2011, 5:56 pm

I was in bed sleeping and my dad came barging into my room telling me they are talking about planes crashing. I yelled at him telling him I didn't care and I didn't like how he thought I would care that if planes crashed. I didn't realize it was deliberate until I was in school in choir and I finally learned what hijacking meant.



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11 Sep 2011, 6:14 pm

Driving to work like I do pretty much every morning.



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11 Sep 2011, 6:56 pm

Colonial chickens who've some back to roost I wonder how many Americans reflected on this fact ?

Having said that it is certainly a "Diana Moment" who here can remember the day the aggressors retaliated do you even know the day and date the Americans illegally invaded a sovereign nation ?

I feel sorry for the Iraqis.


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