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12 Feb 2012, 6:43 am

what would it be like to live under a dome on the planet-facing side of one of mars' moons?



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12 Feb 2012, 6:52 am

I would like to live on a little moon orbiting a large planet.


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12 Feb 2012, 11:02 am

auntblabby wrote:
what would it be like to live under a dome on the planet-facing side of one of mars' moons?

Confining, restrictive, and regulated - much like any other government-run or military venture.



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12 Feb 2012, 4:24 pm

auntblabby wrote:
what would it be like to live under a dome on the planet-facing side of one of mars' moons?


It would probably look pretty dang awesome.



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12 Feb 2012, 6:13 pm

I'm in favor of forming an aspie nation on Antarctica and living in a world of hot springs and underground dwellings. I could also live on an orbital colony if they get the gravity working and it's safe. I'd really love to live on an interstellar space ship that visited many worlds and civilizations, whether it be human space colonies or inhabited Earth-like worlds. Basically I want to be a Merchant Space Marine!



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12 Feb 2012, 6:32 pm

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It would be a chance to "start over and get it right".


I wouldn't count on it. The chance for a fresh start has already come, and gone.

We already went to another world, and what was one of the first things we did when we got there? We planted the flag of a country on it. This was a mistake that will haunt us for the rest of our existence. It will come to be seen as symbolic of our inability to make a fresh start.


If you're talking about the moon, perhaps the flags on it have been burned up by the sun already? I'm thinking what we need is freedom of law. The ability for like minded people to have their own laws and regulations. For example, a confederacy within a state by county where politics become more localized and also the ability of ethnic and genetically similar minority groups to have their own laws that affect only their own people.

Then there is also the Venus Project.

Additionally, unclaimed land in space should be available for like minded people seeking to form their own nations, we shouldn't be limited to the nations that exist today. Nation building itself is a heritage of man and should continue if there are to be nations.

New space governments should not be able to weaponize or build a military, the UN should be the only organization with a military and it's purpose should be for the protection of human settlements. It should have one language and be filled by those seeking military employment from constituent nations.



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12 Feb 2012, 9:07 pm

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But what now? We're trapped on Earth.


Not completely trapped, but people like Zubrin and Elon Musk will hopefully get things moving with regard to Mars. Heck, if SpaceX can land humans safely on Mars in the next 15 years, then that blasts away the Obama plan of orbiting the planet once in 2035 and nothing else. Hopefully though we'll do more than just plant a flag or two and fly away again, hopefully a heck of a lot more.



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13 Feb 2012, 3:56 am

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Why emigrate to another planet, only to be confined inside a tin can?

Give me clean air and an open sky instead.


I agree, you would start to feel claustrophobic and trapped once the novelty has worn of after a certain amount of time. Being in a confined space can really make people act unusual or become agitated, people have the need to inter relate with others and connect with the world. I imagine the fiction concept of people going insane in space to be true.



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13 Feb 2012, 4:16 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
what would it be like to live under a dome on the planet-facing side of one of mars' moons?


It would probably look pretty dang awesome.

i was thinking that the planet-side location would get one out of the way of much space debris. but i don't know how stable mars' moons are in terms of them having moonquakes and moonslides and such. i don't know how stable their orbits are, either- or how susceptible they might be to colliding with one another some time in the future. but it would be neat to look up through the transparent geodesic dome facing mars, and see all that red or whatever color it actually is in real life [not filtered by nasa]. just imagine the good dark clear astronomical viewing available up there.



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13 Feb 2012, 4:18 am

Transfer orbit. Some 200+ days to reach mars, 3+ days to reach the moon... and 5 minutes to reach your local pub.

This is why I think we'll never reach mars.

P.S .. If we're always on one side of the sun, then perhaps all the spaceships are hiding on the opposite side of the sun on - a undiscovered planet.



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13 Feb 2012, 12:23 pm

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Transfer orbit. Some 200+ days to reach mars, 3+ days to reach the moon... and 5 minutes to reach your local pub.

This is why I think we'll never reach mars.


From the 1500's through 1800's: Some 200+ days to reach destinations like the Americas, Australia, India; 3+ days to travel to another country; 5 minutes to walk to the local pub. Heh, I suppose for people who dwell in cities and love convenience some things never change.



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13 Feb 2012, 12:30 pm

People forget that when the Earth was explored, air was everywhere, and water and food might be around the next bend or over the next ridge. Just sitting there, waiting for you pick it up.

That's not true anywhere else within our reach.



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13 Feb 2012, 4:17 pm

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People forget that when the Earth was explored, air was everywhere, and water and food might be around the next bend or over the next ridge. Just sitting there, waiting for you pick it up.

That's not true anywhere else within our reach.


Yeah, however when the humans spread out over the face of the Earth they did not have our understanding of physics, chemistry, electronics, etc. They might have known some amount of agriculture and they knew how to make clothes in order to survive the more hostile environments of latitudes approaching the polar regions of this planet. We'll have to have, keep, maintain, and advance technology in order to survive in the less hospitable lands of this solar system, in a greater degree than that which was necessary for surviving the environments of Earth. Unlike upon the Earth, the level of technology will need to either remain the same or increase, but not decrease, whereas hereupon this planet some had become complacent when they had arrived at hospitable lands where their previous level of technology wasn't necessary anymore. The colonists of Mars and the other places of our solar system will not have the luxury of becoming lazy but will instead be required by their environment to continue to learn more, build more, develop more, and grow more. Earth is a land for the lazy, Mars is a land for the diligent.



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13 Feb 2012, 5:07 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
shrox wrote:
People forget that when the Earth was explored, air was everywhere, and water and food might be around the next bend or over the next ridge. Just sitting there, waiting for you pick it up.

That's not true anywhere else within our reach.


Yeah, however when the humans spread out over the face of the Earth they did not have our understanding of physics, chemistry, electronics, etc. They might have known some amount of agriculture and they knew how to make clothes in order to survive the more hostile environments of latitudes approaching the polar regions of this planet. We'll have to have, keep, maintain, and advance technology in order to survive in the less hospitable lands of this solar system, in a greater degree than that which was necessary for surviving the environments of Earth. Unlike upon the Earth, the level of technology will need to either remain the same or increase, but not decrease, whereas hereupon this planet some had become complacent when they had arrived at hospitable lands where their previous level of technology wasn't necessary anymore. The colonists of Mars and the other places of our solar system will not have the luxury of becoming lazy but will instead be required by their environment to continue to learn more, build more, develop more, and grow more. Earth is a land for the lazy, Mars is a land for the diligent.


Pioneers had their technology too, and when it failed, they could still breathe.



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14 Feb 2012, 1:26 pm

shrox wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
shrox wrote:
People forget that when the Earth was explored, air was everywhere, and water and food might be around the next bend or over the next ridge. Just sitting there, waiting for you pick it up.

That's not true anywhere else within our reach.


Yeah, however when the humans spread out over the face of the Earth they did not have our understanding of physics, chemistry, electronics, etc. They might have known some amount of agriculture and they knew how to make clothes in order to survive the more hostile environments of latitudes approaching the polar regions of this planet. We'll have to have, keep, maintain, and advance technology in order to survive in the less hospitable lands of this solar system, in a greater degree than that which was necessary for surviving the environments of Earth. Unlike upon the Earth, the level of technology will need to either remain the same or increase, but not decrease, whereas hereupon this planet some had become complacent when they had arrived at hospitable lands where their previous level of technology wasn't necessary anymore. The colonists of Mars and the other places of our solar system will not have the luxury of becoming lazy but will instead be required by their environment to continue to learn more, build more, develop more, and grow more. Earth is a land for the lazy, Mars is a land for the diligent.


Pioneers had their technology too, and when it failed, they could still breathe.


Yes, and crews of ships had their technologies too and they could breathe, but just not underwater. Crews of submarines have technologies that they have to keep maintained, and they do and they can breathe.



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14 Feb 2012, 1:35 pm

I wish to join you. But i doubt i'll see the day.