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Would you be cured if you could?
Yes 49%  49%  [ 19 ]
No 51%  51%  [ 20 ]
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12 Jul 2012, 11:27 pm

I must beg to differ.

How much of the depression and anxiety felt by AS people is a result of their lives and how much is a result of biology?

For example; Person A is depressed because he doesn't have a girlfriend. Why doesn't he have a girlfriend? He is extremely anxious and shy around girls. Why is he that way? He is not able to pick up on social clues and body language. Why not? Aspergers.

If you remove the foundation/underlying issue, there is a chance the others will come crumbling down.

Now there will be situations were the depression is purely biological because we can depression can strike anyone but I think that some of the environmental cases would go away.



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12 Jul 2012, 11:38 pm

Wish there was a third option that said

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12 Jul 2012, 11:49 pm

thewhitrbbit wrote:
I must beg to differ.

How much of the depression and anxiety felt by AS people is a result of their lives and how much is a result of biology?

For example; Person A is depressed because he doesn't have a girlfriend. Why doesn't he have a girlfriend? He is extremely anxious and shy around girls. Why is he that way? He is not able to pick up on social clues and body language. Why not? Aspergers.

If you remove the foundation/underlying issue, there is a chance the others will come crumbling down.

Now there will be situations were the depression is purely biological because we can depression can strike anyone but I think that some of the environmental cases would go away.


Oh stop blaming everything on Asperger's ! I'm capable of being in a relationship perfectly fine, why ? cause I've learned how to pick up social cues! Why? Cause I don't use it as if I don't have legs!

You act like Asperger's is a crutch that you use as an excuse and don't even try! Goddamn you have two arms and two legs! You can talk! You have a brain! Use it! And stop this poor me BS that's been going on here with a lot of people! God just because you can't pick up on social cues doesn't mean you can't learn them.



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13 Jul 2012, 1:45 am

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I'm curious about the people who say no. I've noticed that there is a very negative attitude that runs through this site, from the frequent mentions of suicide to failures at school, friends and jobs.

I have trouble understanding why people would not be willing to take an option that would give them the tools to be happy.


As much as I may not care for many people who are considered "normal", nor do I hate the kind of person I think I am, I've also become very tired of being the odd one out. I hate not being employed at the same place very long simply due to relating with others and not handling petty office politics. I'm tired of not having many friends or romantic interests, leaving me critically lonely. I'm tired of not being listened to or respected because I'm "weird".

I'd feel like I'm cutting my IQ in half, but I'd be willing to take that pill... the "average" social people seem so damned happy... and even earn twice as much or more. [sigh]



That said, since no pill exists, it's up to me to do something about it. I just wish there were "social" classes... Toastmasters seems to be all about public speaking - it's the "mingling" and day-to-day stuff I need help with.



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13 Jul 2012, 1:50 am

The reason why I like having Aspergers is because it makes me different from others, I hate being in the norm.



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13 Jul 2012, 2:00 am

Yes, as long it it somehow guaranteed that it would not adversely affect other aspects of who I am. For example, I have always suspected that I am only good at analytic thinking because I have memory freed in my brain that other people use for social stuff.



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13 Jul 2012, 3:40 am

thewhitrbbit wrote:
I'm curious about the people who say no. I've noticed that there is a very negative attitude that runs through this site, from the frequent mentions of suicide to failures at school, friends and jobs.

I have trouble understanding why people would not be willing to take an option that would give them the tools to be happy.


I'm one of the people who voted no, and I'm not one to blame my problems on my Aspergers. I don't want my Aspergers cured any more than an Australian Aboriginal wants their Aboriginality cured. The latter is not about skin colour anymore; it is about cultural differences as learned at home prior to children starting school at age 5. We with Aspergers are in a similar situation, except that our cultural differences are neurologically wired rather than, well, enculturated. Yes, I do have problems that are associated with my Aspergers, but I blame the problems on an essentially racist society, rather than on my condition which is essentially neutral.



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13 Jul 2012, 7:59 am

stupideffingyoshi wrote:
thewhitrbbit wrote:
I must beg to differ.

How much of the depression and anxiety felt by AS people is a result of their lives and how much is a result of biology?

For example; Person A is depressed because he doesn't have a girlfriend. Why doesn't he have a girlfriend? He is extremely anxious and shy around girls. Why is he that way? He is not able to pick up on social clues and body language. Why not? Aspergers.

If you remove the foundation/underlying issue, there is a chance the others will come crumbling down.

Now there will be situations were the depression is purely biological because we can depression can strike anyone but I think that some of the environmental cases would go away.


Oh stop blaming everything on Asperger's ! I'm capable of being in a relationship perfectly fine, why ? cause I've learned how to pick up social cues! Why? Cause I don't use it as if I don't have legs!

You act like Asperger's is a crutch that you use as an excuse and don't even try! Goddamn you have two arms and two legs! You can talk! You have a brain! Use it! And stop this poor me BS that's been going on here with a lot of people! God just because you can't pick up on social cues doesn't mean you can't learn them.


Well uhh I find I have not been able to learn to pick up on a lot of social skills, even if i do make my best effort so I don't know that everyone can learn that....I mean one of the main symptoms of autism is not being able to pick up on social cues. It doesn't mean one cannot have a relationship however, I mean I have had relationships but I still can't pick up on social cues very well if at all and even if I can then I cannot focus on that as well as what they are saying or whatever.


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13 Jul 2012, 8:31 am

stupideffingyoshi wrote:
thewhitrbbit wrote:
I must beg to differ.

How much of the depression and anxiety felt by AS people is a result of their lives and how much is a result of biology?

For example; Person A is depressed because he doesn't have a girlfriend. Why doesn't he have a girlfriend? He is extremely anxious and shy around girls. Why is he that way? He is not able to pick up on social clues and body language. Why not? Aspergers.

If you remove the foundation/underlying issue, there is a chance the others will come crumbling down.

Now there will be situations were the depression is purely biological because we can depression can strike anyone but I think that some of the environmental cases would go away.


Oh stop blaming everything on Asperger's ! I'm capable of being in a relationship perfectly fine, why ? cause I've learned how to pick up social cues! Why? Cause I don't use it as if I don't have legs!

You act like Asperger's is a crutch that you use as an excuse and don't even try! Goddamn you have two arms and two legs! You can talk! You have a brain! Use it! And stop this poor me BS that's been going on here with a lot of people! God just because you can't pick up on social cues doesn't mean you can't learn them.


And I have a job because I've learned how to interact with people where I work. There are people who do make the leap all on their own, 9 out of 10 people wouldn't even think there was anything wrong with me. There are people that don't. How many people on this forum do you see are jolly and happy, and how many are sad and depressed?



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13 Jul 2012, 12:21 pm

This is about the thousandth thread asking this same question, but yes, I would be cured and not have to put up with being cursed with this f*****g s**t any more.


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13 Jul 2012, 3:24 pm

There it is again, this looking at Autism as a negative thing and not thinking of the positive stuff like savant skills and such.

I agree that Autism can feel like a curse, but it's not just a curse. There's plenty of positive things and I would suggest you look at aspiesforfreedom to see a more positive forum site with a better outlook on Autism :D



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13 Jul 2012, 3:33 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Oh stop blaming everything on Asperger's ! I'm capable of being in a relationship perfectly fine, why ? cause I've learned how to pick up social cues! Why? Cause I don't use it as if I don't have legs!

You act like Asperger's is a crutch that you use as an excuse and don't even try! Goddamn you have two arms and two legs! You can talk! You have a brain! Use it! And stop this poor me BS that's been going on here with a lot of people! God just because you can't pick up on social cues doesn't mean you can't learn them.


Well uhh I find I have not been able to learn to pick up on a lot of social skills, even if i do make my best effort so I don't know that everyone can learn that....I mean one of the main symptoms of autism is not being able to pick up on social cues. It doesn't mean one cannot have a relationship however, I mean I have had relationships but I still can't pick up on social cues very well if at all and even if I can then I cannot focus on that as well as what they are saying or whatever.


I should had added that I hung out with my brother and his friends a lot back then as well as some people who I considered to be my friends...

My point is because I got out there and socialized (even if it was draining) I learned to pick up on some cues.

I'm not perfect myself and I still have problems with socializing and cues, but I found the more you get out there and try, the less awkward it seems...

Disability to me is just a label when people without limbs or is paralyzed can learn to walk up those steps or learn to live normal lives....



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13 Jul 2012, 4:53 pm

Not only does my Autism make me who I am, it's too late for me anyhow being 65 years old. And besides, if there was a cure it would have been found by now. Because I'm Autistic I see a lot of positive things in my life. Just remember, those with Autism and Aspergers has made this world what it is because so many excel in many things that has benefitted the world.



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13 Jul 2012, 5:15 pm

stupideffingyoshi wrote:
I should had added that I hung out with my brother and his friends....


So basically you got a helping hand to help you up, but you forget that some of us don't have that type of support to begin with.

I don't know what good it will do now, being cured. The damage is done. Being lost in my own world is better than what I have out here. If you were to add a time machine/ reset switch with that cure, then I wouldn't be typing right now. I'd probably be a happy 24yr old NT person instead.



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13 Jul 2012, 8:41 pm

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stupideffingyoshi wrote:
I should had added that I hung out with my brother and his friends....


So basically you got a helping hand to help you up, but you forget that some of us don't have that type of support to begin with.


But those who don't have support can find good books on learning about socializing with NT's, I’m sure there's some good ones on the internet or at your local bookstore.....

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I don't know what good it will do now, being cured. The damage is done. Being lost in my own world is better than what I have out here. If you were to add a time machine/ reset switch with that cure, then I wouldn't be typing right now. I'd probably be a happy 24yr old NT person instead.


What about your special interests ? Are you willing to give up the things you love and obsess over if they had a cure ?

Would you rather be one of those NT social zombies who likes everything everybody else likes? I always liked being the odd red smurf in the population of all those blue ones :D



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13 Jul 2012, 9:14 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Well uhh I find I have not been able to learn to pick up on a lot of social skills, even if i do make my best effort so I don't know that everyone can learn that....I mean one of the main symptoms of autism is not being able to pick up on social cues. It doesn't mean one cannot have a relationship however, I mean I have had relationships but I still can't pick up on social cues very well if at all and even if I can then I cannot focus on that as well as what they are saying or whatever.


I just wanted to say that my original remark wasn't aimed at you Sweetleaf, It was aimed at Whitrabbit and I forgot to take out your quote when I posted, I apologize for the confusion :( .......