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I would love to have universal healthcare here, but Obamacare won't work. I had invisioned something along the lines of the AllKids low income insurance for kids under 18. We have Medicaid for kids who fall under a certain income level, and for adults who have no income at all, and we have Medicare for those disaboled and over a certain age. AllKids was a stop gap measure for kids whose families made between the ceiling amount for Medicaid and another set amount.

With Medicaid you pay nothing, but with AllKids you may be charged a yearly fee, depending on your income and you do have a dr and drug store copay of between 5 and maybe 25. I think Blue Cross ran it

Obamacare mandates that if you do not have insurance through your employer, then you are required by law to either buy the Obamacare insurance, or pay a fine for not buying it and then remaining insured. The minimum fine you will have to pay if you can't afford the insurance your employer offers and you can't afford Obamacare either, is $695 per person. It goes up from there.

Now, a family like us who are struggeling to get by as it is and barely getting things paid from week to week, does not have any extra money to pay for insurance, Obamacare, or the fine. What are people supposed to do to pay it? If they had the money they would already have insurance through their job. Fining them isn't going to make them suddenly have the money.

Obamacare doesn't fix the broken healthcare system. It doesn't even put a bandaid on it. It rubs salt in the wound.

Americans, as a whole, will not accept a fully tax funded healthcare system. They don't have the intelligence neccesary to realise that it's cheaper on the whole (your average American spends more on healthcare in a year than my entire family of four people does). They see the word tax and their knee-jerk reaction is "bad bad thing run!" They can't seem to understand that without either jacking up taxes or cutting spending (especially on that hideously wasteful beast of a military) they're screwed.

Basically, America is screwed, and it's gonna drag a lot of other countries down with it.

*nods* It's this mindset that is causing this whole thing.

Yep. The smart short-term money is currently looking towards Renminbi, or Chinese Yuans if you prefer.

Because obviously universal health-care = communist police state

At least that's what Fox News told me . Right now if your work doesn't provide insurance for you (or you're in school like myself) it can be ridiculously expensive. For just a bare-bones policy that essentially doesn't cover anything it's around $80 a month...if you want a policy that will actually pay for something it's closer to $300+ a month. That's almost what I spend on rent!

lots of americans are convinced that they are mere disposable cogs in the capitalist machinery whose only proper function should be to worship the wealthy and that they should emulate said wealthy by getting rich themselves [at any cost] or just to die trying. they see basic societal goods such as health care to be mere privileges properly reserved strictly for those who are good at making money, and rightfully denied anybody who falls short of this mercenary yardstick of human value.

Some people have to pay for Medicaid. I don't but my grandmother had to pay "spend down" every month to have it. When my disabled Aunt tried to get it they wanted her to pay $70 a month for it and she couldn't afford it so she didn't get it.

Aren't there exceptions for people that can't afford it? I know I can't afford it or a $695 fine since my income is $0.

It IS ironic how history views our past presidents. Case in point, if John F. Kennedy had not have had the good fortune to be survived by a widow who was both beautiful & gracious, history would remember him as a womanizing scumbag.

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I tuned into Fox News just to see their reactions right after Romney's concession. No surprises. The whole atmosphere there was all about figuring out "what went wrong."

Hello! Repeat after me.

"It's your policies stupid!"

I doubt they'll ever learn.

I'm totally apolitical by the way. Don't get me started.

I'm sorry things are so hard for your family right now. Have you tried using the Health Reform Subsidy Calculator (click) to see what it will actually cost you?

Maybe it is not as bad as you think? At any rate, knowing is better than wondering.

In America's twisted value system, poverty is seen as shameful evidence of moral failing. In the 60s aid workers in Appalachia were attacked and a few killed for documenting the poverty there and "shaming the people" they were trying to help.

Right now Obamacare is the only reason I have health insurance. I have pre-existing conditions and after I was laid off and COBRA ran out I had to buy insurance. I had to go through the state's exchange thingie. It's $366 a month with a $2000 annual deductible which I meet after about 3 months. But it's something! If I have to go to the hospital for something serious at least I'll be covered.

Because the president alone totally controls the economy, seriously I wonder do most people even know what limits the president has, its not like they can just do what they want and things can even be vetoed so yeah I don't know i didn't think it would make much difference who got elected.

You are thinking of Medicare. It has part A, part B and you can get suppliments, etc.

The President can veto whatever he wants. Congress can overturn his veto with a 2/3 vote.
Even if a veto gets overturned, the Supreme Court can overturn a law if they deem it unconstitutional.

Anybody remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMY6lOVjQgs

If you're poor enough then you don't have to pay the fine. Being forced to pay the fine when you can't afford it was one of the scare tactics like "death panels" which the media did a p*ss poor job of debunking.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/how-mu ... acare-tax/