So how do you feel about house spiders?

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18 Jul 2015, 11:16 am

It depends on the spider and where it is, I try to avoid killing wolf spiders(which can be quite big) since they hunt and kill brown recluses but at first glance they can look similar. We don't technically have brown recluses, the kind that you'd find in the southeast but a close relative that we call an Arizona brown which venom has similar effects altho somebody told me once that it wasn't as strong but I'm not going to volunteer to find out. Apparently there is another one called the desert recluse as well here. Daddy Long Legs(the kind you find in your basement) are totally harmless and completely obvious what they are, no reason to kill them + they kill other insects and spiders as well.

We have a ton of black widows here but they rarely ever come inside(if they do, it's usually in a door or window frame), they're really easy to avoid since they only come out at night and do not leave their web and its always against a wall or something about foot or so off the ground. You don't want to walk along walls or lean against them at night here since they will attack you if get caught in their web, you have to be careful about where you stick you hands too since they like to hide in crevasses during the day. They are intimidating, their webs are way way stronger than the normal spider and they're much harder to kill. I was told that you never want to smash them since they're very tough and could live thru it and possibly bite you right then, they're pretty much impervious to most types of poison, you have to buy a special spray for black widows and scorpions here because the normal stuff wont kill them, if you have a lot of them in your area you have to spray all around the outside of your house, fence, anything they can build a web off pretty much. Destroying their web doesn't do anything since they can recreate it in a day or two and your risking getting bit since they usually hide nearby and sense their prey by vibrations in their web. You wait until night time when the spider is sitting in its web and then kill it, also when you have one you typically have more nearby since they cluster up.

Now flies and cockroaches? I kill the s**t out of them :P



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18 Jul 2015, 4:37 pm

Since I live in a place where the spiders are harmless (unless you're a bug, of course), I really don't have a problem with house spiders. I used to catch them in a jar and release them outside, but then I heard that the spider probably will not survive because house spiders have adapted to living inside, well, a house. But if they stay in my house they're not going to get much if anything to eat since there aren't many bugs in my apartment. Maybe it would be more humane to quickly squash them, or should I feed them bugs I can catch while outside? :?



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18 Jul 2015, 4:51 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
I heard that the spider probably will not survive because house spiders have adapted to living inside, well, a house.


Absolute bunk. A human dwelling to a spider is no more than an unusually warm cave, and it will have no difficulty whatever to nest elsewhere. Also, not all places where a spider might nest is inside a house.


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18 Jul 2015, 6:07 pm

Spiders are beautiful and fascinating. I've had two pet spiders, both huntsmen. I let them roam free in the house. The first one was called Buttons. He died when my partner sprayed some deodorant in the room he was in. Note: deodorant is deadly to spiders, so why would you put it on yourself?
The second one was Fluffy. I'm not sure what become of Fluffy. He went MIA.


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18 Jul 2015, 6:18 pm

i, too, catch them to release outside.



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18 Jul 2015, 6:57 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
I heard that the spider probably will not survive because house spiders have adapted to living inside, well, a house.


Absolute bunk. A human dwelling to a spider is no more than an unusually warm cave, and it will have no difficulty whatever to nest elsewhere. Also, not all places where a spider might nest is inside a house.


I dunno, looking around it seems like some house spiders are dependent on indoor conditions to survive.



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18 Jul 2015, 7:51 pm

I there's a spider crawling around on the walls somewhere I just let them do their thing. I don't feel they'll bite me anyway. Also, since I'm a Jain, I won't hurt a spider. That also goes for flies, bugs, bees or anything that lives.



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18 Jul 2015, 10:06 pm

They don't bother me unless they startle me. I bring em outside if I can cuz my girlfriend has a phobia of spiders but she's not bothered by the little jumping 1s


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19 Jul 2015, 12:58 am

I got a pic today. A medium size huntsman. It's currently on the living room wall. Huntsman spiders are not venomous enough to harm humans and they eat pest insects. So I decided to let it stay where it is. I just hope it will not crawl on the carpet. I might end up stepping on it.

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19 Jul 2015, 1:09 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
I heard that the spider probably will not survive because house spiders have adapted to living inside, well, a house.


Absolute bunk. A human dwelling to a spider is no more than an unusually warm cave, and it will have no difficulty whatever to nest elsewhere. Also, not all places where a spider might nest is inside a house.


I dunno, looking around it seems like some house spiders are dependent on indoor conditions to survive.


In the interest of science, I shall do some brief research.

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giant house spider (Eratigena atrica): "Its original habitat consists mostly of caves, or dry forests where it is found under rocks, but is a common spider in people's homes."


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hobo spider (Eratigena agrestis, formerly Tegenaria agrestis): " Hobo spiders sometimes build their webs in or around human habitations." (emphasis mine)


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cellar spider (Pholcus phalangioides): " Its habit of living on the ceilings of rooms, caves, garages or cellars gives rise to one of its common names." (emphasis mine)


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barn funnel weaver (Tegenaria domestica) ". It is found, however, throughout most of the United States, most notably in sheds and barns, around and in the crevices of doors, as well as in the cracks of rock faces and under rocks and boards." (emphasis mine)


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common house spider (Parasteatoda tepidariorum): "American house spiders are synanthropic and build their tangled webs in or near human dwellings, often in secluded areas such as between loose walls and behind open doors and attic windows." This one seems to rely on human waste to attract prey, rather than needing the indoor climate. (emphasis mine)


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Southern house spider (Kukulcania hibernalis): "“It comes out occasionally during the winter, but cold is apt to render it torpid, and it then remains several days in the same situation, moving slightly in the middle of the day” (Hentz 1842)." (emphasis mine)


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Yellow Sac spider (Chiracanthium inclusum): "They are most often found in trees and shrubs, but may also find shelter in houses and other human-made structures."


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black house spider (Badumna insignis): "In natural habitat, they are usually found on rough-barked trees, whereas inside buildings they are often found in corners, around windows and doorways, or where other light sources may attract prey insects"


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Brown house spider (Steatoda grossa):"All stages of the immature spiders can be found in human-made structures throughout the year, as can the adults. Outside, these spiders can be found on low-growing foliage, under bark, in rock crevices, and under bridges."


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Tiny house spider/Pink Prowler (Oonops domesticus): "...is one of several spiders that are virtually exclusive to houses."..."It hunts at night, probably with booklice their common prey".


It would seem you were correct, but not for reasons of climate. Great, so not only do I probably have spiders in my books, but I probably have little bugs gnawing on the book glue as well...then again, booklice are found in the wild, so perhaps the spider is, too.

So there we go; these are what are commonly known as house spiders, but do keep in mind that thats not a strictly defined term, so I may have missed some species, although I don't think I did. So, in short, should you come across a small pink spider about 2mm in size, it's probably keeping the booklice population down and deserves a high-five. Find any of the others, feel free to toss them outside; the common theme here seems to be living in the general vicinity of humans, rather than strictly inside out houses.


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19 Jul 2015, 11:37 pm

I end up just grabbing them and taking them outside; I dont kill anything, after all, it's hardly their fault that they ended up where they did. Not like they could know that they arent supposed to.

I do this with pretty much all insects too; usually boxelders and ladybugs, which are extremely common over at my mom's house.

The only exception is centipedes; I just ignore them and let them do whatever. There's no point in trying to catch one, the crazy things move like lightning bolts. Which I guess makes sense... it'd be bloody stupid if something with that many legs was slow instead of fast.



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19 Jul 2015, 11:42 pm

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I end up just grabbing them and taking them outside; I dont kill anything, after all, it's hardly their fault that they ended up where they did. Not like they could know that they arent supposed to.

I do this with pretty much all insects too; usually boxelders and ladybugs, which are extremely common over at my mom's house.

The only exception is centipedes; I just ignore them and let them do whatever. There's no point in trying to catch one, the crazy things move like lightning bolts. Which I guess makes sense... it'd be bloody stupid if something with that many legs was slow instead of fast.


millipedes have even more legs and are very slow :D



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19 Jul 2015, 11:49 pm

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I agree that bees should never be harmed -- there is a crisis decline going on and we should be trying to save this species; they are beneficial in profound ways that are part of the chain, and there are going to be real problems if bees actually get wiped out.

I also agree that things that will actively harm me such as mosquitos, are fair game if in the house with me.

Everything else I rescue and put outside, including spiders. They're just trying to live their life cycle and if I don't have to interfere I'd rather assist.


I have heard it has to do with some pesticides being used commonly, I never have got peoples obsession with using harsh chemical pesticides on plants....I would not be surprised in the least if that has something to do with it, even if its not the entire cause of the bee decline.


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19 Jul 2015, 11:57 pm

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They have their uses and places. Used to live in the tropics, so they help thin the held.

It's the hunting spiders I'm not too keen on... with their powerful (painful) venom and s**t...



Well in Colorado at least the area I live the main venomous spiders I know of are Black Widows and Brown Recluse spiders. The black widows typically really keep to themselves, not sure I've ever even seen one inside but yeah I think it would be kind of hard to get bit by one unless you really aggravate it...the brown recluse from what I understand is more known to actively bite, but not sure on that...judging by the name I'd think they might be well 'reclusive'. Then I guess there are Hobo spiders(can't remember their actual name at the moment) they I guess can leave pretty nasty bites...not typically life threatening but quite nasty and they are very territorial so would be easier to aggravate than the first two. But yeah aside from that all of them are pretty harmless....Wolf spiders hurt a lot when they bite I hear, but not venomous really they do get big though.


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20 Jul 2015, 12:00 am

Jacoby wrote:
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I end up just grabbing them and taking them outside; I dont kill anything, after all, it's hardly their fault that they ended up where they did. Not like they could know that they arent supposed to.

I do this with pretty much all insects too; usually boxelders and ladybugs, which are extremely common over at my mom's house.

The only exception is centipedes; I just ignore them and let them do whatever. There's no point in trying to catch one, the crazy things move like lightning bolts. Which I guess makes sense... it'd be bloody stupid if something with that many legs was slow instead of fast.


millipedes have even more legs and are very slow :D


yes millipedes are the slow kind of prehistoric looking ones with the legs underneath the outer shell, centepedes are the super creepy ones with the legs sticking out the sides and long antenna that just make them even creepier..and their fast movement doesn't help the creepy factor either.

I have ran across the long red ones a couple times....and would prefer not to run into one of these:
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I have seen videos of them on youtube, and they're freaking huge I'd hate to wake up to something like that rearing up at me lol. Though I think they prefer damp areas and not sure they are in colorado even.


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20 Jul 2015, 12:07 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
Since I live in a place where the spiders are harmless (unless you're a bug, of course), I really don't have a problem with house spiders. I used to catch them in a jar and release them outside, but then I heard that the spider probably will not survive because house spiders have adapted to living inside, well, a house. But if they stay in my house they're not going to get much if anything to eat since there aren't many bugs in my apartment. Maybe it would be more humane to quickly squash them, or should I feed them bugs I can catch while outside? :?


It seems from my observation some spiders feel trapped if they find their way inside and frantically try and find ways out...so those ones come out and creep around and I put them out. But some seem quite content inside and will venture out only to go back and hide and I see no sense trying to hunt those one down to remove IDK if little spiders want to live in dark corners I don't use.


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