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Is this bullying?
No, it's ok if everyone does that 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Bullying 75%  75%  [ 15 ]
Criminal 15%  15%  [ 3 ]
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10 Aug 2015, 4:24 pm

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I wasn't spoiled growing up, but my parents taught us that even kids deserve some respect. We need to be examples to kids (and other adults), we need to show them what manners are, and if we only show them what being rude is, then they will learn from that; either assuming adults are jerks or become jerks themselves.


I'm not entirely sure of that. You might as well teach them early that people are not equals by any stretch of the imagination and they should never expect reciprocity. Just because someone doesn't respect you doesn't mean they will tolerate any disrespect in return. The key is who has the power to discipline others. Inferiors have no business trying to discipline superiors. Respect has to be earned.


If someone cuts in line in front of me, you think I should just let them?
If a cashier ignores me, do you think I should not call attention to their poor customer service?
Just because some people want to be treated special doesn't mean I have to treat them so, and neither should other people. If they want to think they have power over me, they can try to exert it.


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10 Aug 2015, 4:38 pm

And, if they fail, you've just proven them they don't have that power. Try that stunt with someone who does have it and they'll put you in your place in an even more degrading way. Power is what matters at the end of the day.

I used to think I could stand up for the rights I'm supposed to have on paper. Of course, the only thing it took for others to prove me wrong is to resort to physical violence or show convincingly they could.


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10 Aug 2015, 5:03 pm

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And, if they fail, you've just proven them they don't have that power. Try that stunt with someone who does have it and they'll put you in your place in an even more degrading way. Power is what matters at the end of the day.

I used to think I could stand up for the rights I'm supposed to have on paper. Of course, the only thing it took for others to prove me wrong is to resort to physical violence or show convincingly they could.


I've gotten to the point where I'm not sure I would care if they had to take it to physical violence. I can't think of anyone who has enough power over me to be allowed to cut in line.
Physical power is a different thing, but I'm not sure that I would be overly intimidated, because they would have to throw the first punch. I don't initiate fights.

Perhaps the fact that I constantly look frazzled and sleep deprived and like I'm going to kill someone (with or without the kids in tow) keeps people from pushing me... I've never had anyone try to challenge me.... get huffy, sure, but they are the ones to back down.


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10 Aug 2015, 5:23 pm

Seems I have one more reason to envy you. I'm not sure comparing myself with a woman is meaningful, as there's a big difference in the way physically attacking someone is perceived according to their sex. On the other hand, I find brave women very inspiring. I like to think that, if I were with one, I wouldn't let her take the brunt of the attack, having probably much more meat than her for the aggressor to chew.

I can think of lots of people who wouldn't have any reason to be afraid to cut in line in front of me, beating the crap out of me if necessary to shut me up. I'm not used to think it matters, in practical terms, who started the fight, but this is probably my ignorant aspie worldview. At any rate, I wouldn't be able to prove anything, and they'd surely find convincing reasons to be offended by me and righteously put me in my place. At least, this is my experience.

In my case, looking sleep-deprived will only signal I'm even more vulnerable than I'd otherwise be.


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10 Aug 2015, 5:29 pm

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Just because someone doesn't respect you doesn't mean they will tolerate any disrespect in return. The key is who has the power to discipline others. Inferiors have no business trying to discipline superiors. Respect has to be earned.


Actually respect a two way street, but if someone is constantly marching up to you and pinning and pointing out loads of faults with things, don't you think they should be entitled to nothing? Just zipping it could be a problem here for many I know, and go crying to a mod about it because they feel bore and lonely, and sulking, but why create that problem in the first place if the subject never interested them? I actually get tracked more often for no reason. I don't want to have to debate any answer. If they had any tolerance they'd leave you alone. You often speak of power, but what's the use if they never give up and go away? How much toil do we take then?


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11 Aug 2015, 10:33 am

I don't know what you're talking about.


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12 Aug 2015, 4:01 am

kamiyu910 wrote:
Spiderpig wrote:
kamiyu910 wrote:
I wasn't spoiled growing up, but my parents taught us that even kids deserve some respect. We need to be examples to kids (and other adults), we need to show them what manners are, and if we only show them what being rude is, then they will learn from that; either assuming adults are jerks or become jerks themselves.


I'm not entirely sure of that. You might as well teach them early that people are not equals by any stretch of the imagination and they should never expect reciprocity. Just because someone doesn't respect you doesn't mean they will tolerate any disrespect in return. The key is who has the power to discipline others. Inferiors have no business trying to discipline superiors. Respect has to be earned.


If someone cuts in line in front of me, you think I should just let them?
If a cashier ignores me, do you think I should not call attention to their poor customer service?
Just because some people want to be treated special doesn't mean I have to treat them so, and neither should other people. If they want to think they have power over me, they can try to exert it.


You don't take garbage from no one. I like that.


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16 Aug 2015, 7:16 am

In order not to take garbage from anyone, you have to be the absolutely most powerful person in the world, and I'm not even sure this is enough.

It really baffles me how people can go about their lives, always seemingly knowing in advance they'll be stronger than anyone who decides to mess with them. I envy that attitude because just about the first thing life taught me is that I'm not strong enough to be able to afford it by any means.


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