Trying to have fun is the worst thing ever
MtG was actually a hobby of mine for a number of years, and I played it on and off, but when my small town scene started to dissolve, and I started playing more at booster drafts and such, I eventually came to realize that I simply lack the mental reflexes and strategic/tactical abilities needed to play against other people. Informal play was enjoyable for me because I could take the time I needed, and playing well was not really expected. Formal play however, you're expected to be able to focus on the game, play your turns fast, and think quickly about your opponent's strategies. You also have to keep track of a bunch of things like the effects of various enchantments, which step of a turn you're on, your life total, your opponent's life total, status effects on your creatures, and so on.
About six months ago, give or take, I eventually came to realize that I had barely even touched most of my cards, and that I was sitting on a fairly significant amount of money, so my dad offered to help organize and sell my cards. I kept one deck that contained a few of my favorites, but I let him go through the rest and sell anything of any value. It still amazes me that my dad was willing to do this without being paid a cut of it, and I even offered it to him a few times, but the closest he came was borrowing and paying some of the money I made from my cards. It probably helps that my dad is an aspie as well, and that MtG is one of his special interests. Admittedly, I do sort of regret it since I didn't get nearly as much money as I was expecting, and it will likely be hard for me to get some of the cards I sold back if I decide to get back into playing, but at the same time, I needed the money. I still own a fair number of cards, but it's pretty much all stuff my dad wasn't able to sell.
Magic can be a very fun game, and the cards are cool collectables, but I prefer playing the video game adaptations to the "real" game because the computer helps keep track of things for you, and I can choose to play against an AI instead of a real human opponent. AI opponents are more predictable, you don't have to worry about hurting their feelings if you play like an as*hole, you can call one up to play with you any time you want, and you don't have to remind them of the rules every so often like I've had to with some human players. That said, I don't play computerized MtG that often because there is no perfect implementations of it out there, all of them have their disadvantages. Magic Duels on Steam is a grindy F2P game that had a fair number of bugs the last time I played it, and it also doesn't have any of the really cool old cards. Shandalar, the MtG PC game from 1997, has tons of cool cards, a decent deck manager, and even an RPG-like quest mode, but it is also hard to run on modern PCs, and it simply doesn't have the code in place to accommodate for all the rules that have been revised since its release, as well as all the new cards and mechanics that have been introduced alongside those rule revisions. Then, there's Magic: The Gathering Online, which I haven't even bothered to touch since it requires you to buy all your cards with real money. I don't mind paying for physical cards, as they have collectors value in and of themselves, but I'm still not keen on the idea of buying virtual cards.
I know, this has been kind of a long rant, but Magic the Gathering is a game I've known for quite some time, and unfortunately, it's also one of the biggest things that has made me realize my mental limitations. I also happen to be in the unique position of having a parent who has played the game for almost its entire existence, and as such, I grew up around it for years before I even started playing it. The fact that I can't play it worth a damn against real people is something that frustrates me.
That bit you say here: "you don't have to worry about hurting their feelings if you play like an as*hole" is something that always bugs the hell out of me with any competitive game.
I mean, to me, in a game of pure competition, so long as there is no actual CHEATING, there is no "playing like a jerk" or anything. There just isnt. You come up with a strategy, and you use the damn strategy. The point is to WIN... particularly in a "formal" match. Whenever says something like "That's SUCH a dick move, dude" to me in a game, I always say something like "Okay? So do it to me, then. It's a valid tactic, and you're more than free to throw whatever you want back at me, so do it!". Typically I actually see that issue more in fighting games than anywhere else, but actual friends of mine arent the sorts to be bothered by that, so it's usually against new players. But it can happen in any genre, definitely. Also, to be honest, when you're playing with friends in particular, screwing them over as badly as possible is half the fun, and in my experience, they tend to see it the same way. It's part of the hilarity, for me anyway... It'd bug the hell out of me if they were stuck-up enough to get so bothered by things like that.
I also agree with what you say about formal VS informal play. I'm good enough to do tournaments, and potentially win them, in a couple of genres of gaming. But I dont LIKE tournaments. They're extremely stressful, there's ALOT of waiting around and wondering when it'll be time to fight (and this part is very boring), everyone is on edge, they're the place where people are most likely to get into arguements, and overall... they're just not fun. And if there's no fun, I just dont see the point.
And as with you, the Magic scene around here dried up YEARS ago. We barely even have bookstores around here, it's a "jock" town, definitely... so we sure as hell dont have geeky things like TCGs. Magic Online is where I have to go for that if I want to play it. Though, that's fine, since it's mostly "informal" play that I want, and if I'm going to an actual event somewhere around here, that's probably for "formal" play, which... bah. And there's no point in doing the formal without alot of practice from the informal anyway.
The other versions of Magic I didnt touch because they all just have too many issues, and by "issues" I generally mean "things are missing". Well, no, I played the one from 1997, looooong ago. But after that, I just did MTGO and screw the others.
While I have no sort of physical clumsiness, I suck at hand-eye coordination. No matter how much I practiced in any games, my eyes are always slow and only to a limit.
In other words; I have precision, but no speed. And it never makes up for it in games.
I'm not worried about this because I don't do competitions.
Most games are about speed and accuracy, but mostly it's about speed. But real life is mostly about precision. ![]()
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You should try Osu! It really helps improve hand eye coordination and reflexes, practice persistently and avoid casual console games.
Try a strategy game, take League of Legends, you can play a tank, support or utility champion. Turn based strategy or role playing games might be good for you.
First person shooters or Twitch games depend on precision and reflexes, they can be harder to learn.
Try a strategy game, take League of Legends, you can play a tank, support or utility champion. Turn based strategy or role playing games might be good for you.
First person shooters or Twitch games depend on precision and reflexes, they can be harder to learn.
In my case.. I practice through Osu! Sometimes. On 2 modes. After 5 months of playing, I'm at my limit with no improvements. My jumps always sucks but I have no problems with shifting in and out of spins.
I can't do double time mod but I can do and enjoy flashlight and hidden mods.
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Try a strategy game, take League of Legends, you can play a tank, support or utility champion. Turn based strategy or role playing games might be good for you.
First person shooters or Twitch games depend on precision and reflexes, they can be harder to learn.
In my case.. I practice through Osu! Sometimes. On 2 modes. After 5 months of playing, I'm at my limit with no improvements. My jumps always sucks but I have no problems with shifting in and out of spins.
I can't do double time mod but I can do and enjoy flashlight and hidden mods.
Do you use a mouse or pen tablet? I think the mouse can be limiting when you hit a wall on OSU! My spell checker keeps capitalizing OSU for no apparent reason.
Thank you all for the replies and advice
I guess maybe my reason for the original post could have been nothing more than me feeling sorry for myself.
As far as the game goes, I love the works of Tolkien very much, so the fact that this computer game takes place in Middle Earth, is a very significant factor in wanting to play it. Most of the time I am enjoying myself very much. Plus a very good friend plays it with me. So not planning on giving it up for something else any time soon.
Not just the autism but also really bad dyspraxia. My occupational therapist likes that I am playing it. have gotten a lot better at it. Probably what made me think I could half way keep up with others.
But I am just so incredibly bad at doing things. So pitifully slow and clumsy trying to maneuver my character. Such a simple thing and I fail so badly at it. Quickly went from fun to me turning the thing off and crying in despair. I have to play this game completely solo or else I'm miles behind other player and totally fail. And it is an easy going game. I'm just so tired of being so pathetically feeble.
I'm no good at computer games either & yes I get frustrated to the point of tears myself. No amount of practice seems to improve my coordination either, in fact going beyond a certain point when practicing actually gets worse, not better.
I can drive a car normally but video games involving cars not so much, not the same feel. I even drive semi truck with 18 gears non-syncro better than I can drive a car in a video game.
Thanks that made me feel better. Stuff like this can be weird and hard to figure out. Would be great if it turns out I am good at driving. Ah the freedom!
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I am pieplup i have level 3 autism and a number of severe mental illnesses. I am rarely active on here anymore.
I run a discord for moderate-severely autistic people if anyone would like to join. You can also contact me on discord @Pieplup
I can definitely relate. Playing real time strategy games is really hard when you have ADHD and an out of sight out of mind mentality, there are people on the leaderboards of Planetary Annihilation that have logged less time then me. I really like RTS games, I just suck at them no matter how much I learn and practice. I generally just stick to the stuff I'm good at which rules out about 95% of all games ever made. I could give you a list of some of my favorite games of you want.
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Stop comparing yourself to others. I know, we all do it. But stop. The only person you're competing with is who you were yesterday. That's it.
I can relate to sucking at video games. Fortunately I lost interest in video games by about age ~13ish and never really cared much for them - still don't.. but when I would play some first person shooter games with friends every once in a while as a teenager, I'd get killed so quickly it wasn't even funny. It was a bit frustrating at first, but since I didn't really care about video games and had no aspirations to get better at them I just changed things up so it was a bit fun for me. I'd skin my character as Homer Simpson or Cartman or something so at least every time I got fragged I got to see dead cartoon characters all over the map that were kinda funny. Make the most of it however you can if you're going to play games.
You may be behind your peers in some ways, but you're light years ahead in others. Most people, myself included, never learn to write as well as you do in their entire lifetime. You're already good enough to make a living at it. Seriously. Possibly in business communications, some legal field, technical writing, or as an editor, or author.. etc - take your pick. We all have strengths and weaknesses. Try focusing on the positives of your strenghts and the opportunities to improve your weaknesses, bit by bit over time. Much less despair that way. ![]()
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I wish more RTSs allowed you to automate things so that you wouldn't have to micromanage so many things at once. I'd probably play them more if that were the case.
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