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09 Mar 2018, 12:33 pm

I live in Colorado, pretty sure its blue and I smoke cigarettes...though I have been trying to switch over to vaping instead currently I am doing both. Also you can smoke marijuana without legal risk so I certainly like that as I enjoy marijuana.

I certainly have not heard any talk of concentration camps for smokers, worst thing is you may get dirty looks from yuppies in yuppified areas...or there are a couple places like Boulder where you're not supposed to smoke walking around on the mainstreet area with all the shops and stuff but its not impossible to find a place to smoke that's more out of the way.

Maybe though people caught littering cigarette butts should be given mandatory community service of picking the damn things up. I throw mine away or if I don't have a place to throw it away I hold on to it until I do...its not a hard concept.


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09 Mar 2018, 12:40 pm

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They aren't putting smokers in Nazi style camps in the blue states either, and I have not heard any talk of people wanting to do that....granted in some areas you might get a dirty look or two for smoking, but that's the yuppified places mostly.

I live in Colorado, pretty sure its blue and I smoke cigarettes...though I have been trying to switch over to vaping instead currently I am doing both. Also you can smoke marijuana without legal risk so I certainly like that as I enjoy marijuana.


I've never smoked pot, but I think its outrageous that its illegal in most of the US. Also be careful, because even if its legal under Colorado state law, its still illegal under Federal law. Its a BS sticky gray area I know.


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09 Mar 2018, 12:45 pm

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I find smoking disgusting and even hate being in the same room as smokers.

However, I believe in personal autonomy, and as such if a person wants to smoke, let them. It's none of your business.


I don't really like being inside with cigarette smoke, unless there is good ventilation...even though I smoke I certainly do prefer to do it outside.


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09 Mar 2018, 12:45 pm

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I don't smoke - I can't breathe properly around tobacco smoke, it would probably be a terrible idea for me to try smoking myself.


I cant function properly until I've had a pipe and at least two cups of black coffee. Is this drug addiction? Probably.


Possibly.. but I'd lean more towards "self medicating," in those doses.


Curious as to the legal status of pot in Canada.


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09 Mar 2018, 12:51 pm

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They aren't putting smokers in Nazi style camps in the blue states either, and I have not heard any talk of people wanting to do that....granted in some areas you might get a dirty look or two for smoking, but that's the yuppified places mostly.

I live in Colorado, pretty sure its blue and I smoke cigarettes...though I have been trying to switch over to vaping instead currently I am doing both. Also you can smoke marijuana without legal risk so I certainly like that as I enjoy marijuana.


I've never smoked pot, but I think its outrageous that its illegal in most of the US. Also be careful, because even if its legal under Colorado state law, its still illegal under Federal law. Its a BS sticky gray area I know.


Oh I know, but yeah I'd think the feds would have a pretty hard time stopping the legal pot here...what are they going to do arrest the whole state? Plus more and more states are legalizing pot every election, eventually the feds are going to have no choice but to legalize or at the very least decriminalize.


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09 Mar 2018, 1:34 pm

No. The scent of cigarette smoke makes me ill and given the nature of it, health effects and cost, I don't understand why people even start.

There are always smokers who proclaim they are completely considerate of others when they smoke...my aunt would even go so far to ask people for permission to smoke in hervown house when she had comoany, which was commendable, but often, their measures are not enough, and enough smokers are inconsiderate or unaware the impact of their habit on others such that it is problematic.

At my university, smoking was banned except in pre designated smoking areas, and in these areas, and in outdoor areas where smoking was not permitted and signs were posted indicating thus, the ground was littered with cigarette butts.

I've only known one person who succumbed to the effects of smoking and tobacco products who didn't regret their habit. Most people who develop related cancers, emphysema, COPD, hear problems and vascular problems as a result of tobacco products are pretty uncomfortable in the later stages of their disease.

If I were evil, I would invest in tobacco products.



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09 Mar 2018, 2:52 pm

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No. The scent of cigarette smoke makes me ill and given the nature of it, health effects and cost, I don't understand why people even start.

There are always smokers who proclaim they are completely considerate of others when they smoke...my aunt would even go so far to ask people for permission to smoke in hervown house when she had comoany, which was commendable, but often, their measures are not enough, and enough smokers are inconsiderate or unaware the impact of their habit on others such that it is problematic.

At my university, smoking was banned except in pre designated smoking areas, and in these areas, and in outdoor areas where smoking was not permitted and signs were posted indicating thus, the ground was littered with cigarette butts.

I've only known one person who succumbed to the effects of smoking and tobacco products who didn't regret their habit. Most people who develop related cancers, emphysema, COPD, hear problems and vascular problems as a result of tobacco products are pretty uncomfortable in the later stages of their disease.

If I were evil, I would invest in tobacco products.


I live alone, I don't smoke at work or indoor public places, and pipe smoking rarely contributes to any of what you listed other than mouth cancer. You don't inhale the smoke. As for mouth cancer, yeah, I know my risk is higher than a non smoker.


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09 Mar 2018, 3:16 pm

Nope.
I have a message for those who smoke. I know in some countries (like Japan) it's not the case but still, can you retreat to places where other people will not be bothered? Many have this habit of smoking near entrance/exit of a building. Those who have to enter or leave the building will have to pass through your smoke.
Please can you also not smoke in queues? Other people cannot leave the queue and you poison them with your smoke infested air.
And last, but not least. Can you not drop ashes from your cigarettes on children's heads? It happened to me. Very rude.


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09 Mar 2018, 3:22 pm

I don't smoke now unless I'm on fire.
Which has happened a few times.
It's ok, eyebrows do grow back eventually. :|


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09 Mar 2018, 3:27 pm

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No. The scent of cigarette smoke makes me ill and given the nature of it, health effects and cost, I don't understand why people even start.

There are always smokers who proclaim they are completely considerate of others when they smoke...my aunt would even go so far to ask people for permission to smoke in hervown house when she had comoany, which was commendable, but often, their measures are not enough, and enough smokers are inconsiderate or unaware the impact of their habit on others such that it is problematic.

At my university, smoking was banned except in pre designated smoking areas, and in these areas, and in outdoor areas where smoking was not permitted and signs were posted indicating thus, the ground was littered with cigarette butts.

I've only known one person who succumbed to the effects of smoking and tobacco products who didn't regret their habit. Most people who develop related cancers, emphysema, COPD, hear problems and vascular problems as a result of tobacco products are pretty uncomfortable in the later stages of their disease.

If I were evil, I would invest in tobacco products.


I live alone, I don't smoke at work or indoor public places, and pipe smoking rarely contributes to any of what you listed other than mouth cancer. You don't inhale the smoke. As for mouth cancer, yeah, I know my risk is higher than a non smoker.


My cat had mouth cancer. Obviously he wasn't a tobacco user. It may have been from a combination of a poor immune system, a papilloma virus, gum inflammation and a canned food diet with tuna containing catfoods. It ate away his mouth from the inside and I didn't realize the extent of it (because cats aren't very keen on having their mouths pryed open) until he started breathing heavily and his nose started bleeding.

It had eaten through the roof of his mouth in to his nose and had spread up in to his facial bones and behind his eye. The primary treatment for oral squamous cell carcinomas is excising the affected area and radiation, but to excise them properly, wide margens must be removed and cats don't have large enough of a face for that unless the cancer is caught very early or it's in the lower jaw.

In humans they can excise but sometimes the wound left is too big to heal and the person succumbs to complications from that.

The unfortunate thing is, the rest of my cat's body was fine. It was not like with my dog where it was metastatic cancer.

It was a wound that worsened and grew rather than healed and he could no longer eat and his pain could no longer be managed. At some point I imagine it would have breached his brain cavity and he would have succumbed to infection but it never got to that point.

I'm just going to be very straight foward here. It's a dumb cancer to have to die of because it is often preventable and often kills by local invasion of the face and skull and throat, and your love of your pipe will likely seem a silly and insignificant thing if you get it. Even if you survive you may be left without the sense of taste or smell and the ability to enjoy your pipe so why not just get rid of the tobacco now and increase your odds of maintaining a normal life?



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09 Mar 2018, 3:55 pm

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RainbowUnion wrote:
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No. The scent of cigarette smoke makes me ill and given the nature of it, health effects and cost, I don't understand why people even start.

There are always smokers who proclaim they are completely considerate of others when they smoke...my aunt would even go so far to ask people for permission to smoke in hervown house when she had comoany, which was commendable, but often, their measures are not enough, and enough smokers are inconsiderate or unaware the impact of their habit on others such that it is problematic.

At my university, smoking was banned except in pre designated smoking areas, and in these areas, and in outdoor areas where smoking was not permitted and signs were posted indicating thus, the ground was littered with cigarette butts.

I've only known one person who succumbed to the effects of smoking and tobacco products who didn't regret their habit. Most people who develop related cancers, emphysema, COPD, hear problems and vascular problems as a result of tobacco products are pretty uncomfortable in the later stages of their disease.

If I were evil, I would invest in tobacco products.


I live alone, I don't smoke at work or indoor public places, and pipe smoking rarely contributes to any of what you listed other than mouth cancer. You don't inhale the smoke. As for mouth cancer, yeah, I know my risk is higher than a non smoker.


My cat had mouth cancer. Obviously he wasn't a tobacco user. It may have been from a combination of a poor immune system, a papilloma virus, gum inflammation and a canned food diet with tuna containing catfoods. It ate away his mouth from the inside and I didn't realize the extent of it (because cats aren't very keen on having their mouths pryed open) until he started breathing heavily and his nose started bleeding.

It had eaten through the roof of his mouth in to his nose and had spread up in to his facial bones and behind his eye. The primary treatment for oral squamous cell carcinomas is excising the affected area and radiation, but to excise them properly, wide margens must be removed and cats don't have large enough of a face for that unless the cancer is caught very early or it's in the lower jaw.

In humans they can excise but sometimes the wound left is too big to heal and the person succumbs to complications from that.

The unfortunate thing is, the rest of my cat's body was fine. It was not like with my dog where it was metastatic cancer.

It was a wound that worsened and grew rather than healed and he could no longer eat and his pain could no longer be managed. At some point I imagine it would have breached his brain cavity and he would have succumbed to infection but it never got to that point.

I'm just going to be very straight foward here. It's a dumb cancer to have to die of because it is often preventable and often kills by local invasion of the face and skull and throat, and your love of your pipe will likely seem a silly and insignificant thing if you get it. Even if you survive you may be left without the sense of taste or smell and the ability to enjoy your pipe so why not just get rid of the tobacco now and increase your odds of maintaining a normal life?


If you eat a Western diet, odds are you will die of a heart attack more than any other cause. I'm not going to quit KFC either. Like I posted, I know people who lived like monks health wise and still got cancer and heart problems. You don't get out of this world alive any way you slice it. As for my smoking, it helps me concentrate. Bottom line.


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09 Mar 2018, 5:43 pm

I smoke 4-8 joints a day. I'm high right now.


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09 Mar 2018, 6:14 pm

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I smoke 4-8 joints a day. I'm high right now.


Its unlikely you will get bone cancer! Happy smoking!


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09 Mar 2018, 6:38 pm

Once had an e-cig. It was alright. Otherwise I am a non-smoker.

Reverse the pub smoking ban, please, and allow the licensee to reassert his property rights. All hospitals require comfy indoor smoking areas.



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09 Mar 2018, 6:46 pm

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No. The scent of cigarette smoke makes me ill and given the nature of it, health effects and cost, I don't understand why people even start.


It shouldn't. The intensity is a problem, but that's something that's enforced.

Chronos wrote:
I've only known one person who succumbed to the effects of smoking and tobacco products who didn't regret their habit. Most people who develop related cancers, emphysema, COPD, hear problems and vascular problems as a result of tobacco products are pretty uncomfortable in the later stages of their disease.

If I were evil, I would invest in tobacco products.


This is a secular, medical variation of punishing people for sins committed in life. It is redolent of organised religion.



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09 Mar 2018, 6:52 pm

I smoke a lot of things--brisket, sausage, bacon, and my smoked salmon dauphinoise is simply to die for.