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30 Jun 2020, 7:56 pm

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I guess in these situations you can't win. Not everything is done out of ignorance though. Isn't this sort of encouraging racism to continue? I'm all for educating but it's taken to a point now, where you can't say or do anything without unintentionally *offending*

When racism is expressed, it is obviously ... obvious.

But when someone claims that racism is 'implied' don't they actually mean the racism was 'inferred'?

How many people actually know the difference between 'implied' and 'inferred'?

For example, when I say "All Lives Matter", anyone can see there is no racism being expressed, and I know that there is no racism being implied. So how can any intelligent and rational person infer that "All Lives Matter" is racist when parsing of the term reveals its inherent inclusivity?

It's like claiming that the phrase "I Love You" implies hatred, hostility, and an over-arching contempt for the person being spoken to.

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30 Jun 2020, 8:26 pm

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Lets be clear. How George Floyd was killed, was barberic. The person that killed him, got sentenced.
George Floyd, however put peoples lives at risk and was an armed Robber. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Secondly.
People of all cultures would order things such as Chinese kimonos or dresses for fashion.
People have spent many years, using aesthetics for shows or accents for cartoons.

It never used to be a problem.

Only in recent weeks it is and with all this on the news and people guilt tripping white people. It's causing more division and hatred.

Umm, since when was Derick Chauvin or any other officer involved with the murder of George Floyd sentenced?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/minneapol ... -1.5602929

Also, the fact that he had once committed a violent crime doesn't make it any more appropriate for police to murder him when he appeared to be cooperative. You're right, two wrongs don't make a right so please stop pretending they do.

The fact that that action caused many people to start evaluating other racist norms we allow isn't "a second wrong" as you're attempting to portray it. It's not "guilt-tripping" to point out things that are legitimate wrongs for which guilt is an appropriate response. If you're unhappy that racism is less acceptable improve your outlooks instead of just whining that they're less acceptable and more people are more likely to be intolerant of them.

It is guilt tripping if you keep making out that, everything white people do is a problem, even if they try to support other cultures. Your attitude is what get people backs up, you're part of the problem not the solution. People like you, keep the division

Tell me again how people who draw attention to this issue are the problem and how inactivism is the real solution. :lol:

The first step is to not throw a hissy when someone points out something is problematic, instead maybe try to understand that perspective before complaining about it.

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30 Jun 2020, 8:27 pm

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If you pay attention to the way that phrase is used it's meaning is clear Fnord and it's not the one you'd like it to be (as you even concede in the other thread).

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30 Jun 2020, 8:49 pm

sorrowfairiewhisper wrote:

Lets be clear. How George Floyd was killed, was barberic. The person that killed him, got sentenced.
George Floyd, however put peoples lives at risk and was an armed Robber. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Secondly.
People of all cultures would order things such as chinese kimonos or dresses for fashion.
People have spent many years, using aesthetics for shows or accents for cartoons.

It never used to be a problem.

Only in recent weeks it is and with all this on the news and people guilt tripping white people. It's causing more division and hatred.

For one, what makes you think that George Floyd was an armed robber? I haven't heard that from anywhere, and if he was I'm sure it would have come out by now.
For two, kimono are not Chinese.
The only thing new about "guilt tripping white people" (in my opinion) is that society seems like it is FINALLY ready to face some of it's problems. Not all of it's problems, not even all of it's problems with people of color, but some of the problems that people of color face.
I would also say (in my opinion) that we aren't really seeing more division and hatred, we're just seeing (some of) the same division and hatred that's been there exposed.

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30 Jun 2020, 9:29 pm

He was an armed robber and he assaulted a women. However, he shouldn't of been killed like that.Still their will be justice.

Kimono is what Chinese people wear. It originated there. You gonna call that racist too for stating that?

Listen, white people get pushed into multiculturalism, white genocide and we are guilt tripped, to the point where people are now apologising for comedies that were out 15 years ago, of someone blacking up or someone whitening up. Some people, of all ethnic backgrounds didn't take offence. Some starred in these comedies to protray the silliness of it all.

I'm just saying, recent events has caused more hostility and division and we've regressed then progressed.

A spade a spade, women are women, men are women
all races are human

The fact that blacks keep saying it's because i'm black or falsely accuse all whites of being privileged, especially in countries in europe and America, where it's diverse and less restricted. Is irony in itself

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... ther-party

I'm trying to explain that if you try to celebrate something else or embrace something,you get the same amount of stick for it , just as much as if you don't and you oppose of it.

Thank you all for sharing your views. Bye

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30 Jun 2020, 9:55 pm

What I'm saying about kimono is that they aren't Chinese, and that a quick search of the internet will tell you that.

Maybe he had a record that included armed robbery, maybe it included an assault against a woman. What did that have to do with what happened when he got killed?

After that, some of your statement just doesn't make sense. Like you're trying to say a bunch of different things without completing any of the thoughts enough for them to be responded to. It almost seems like you're angry that (some of) the grievances of people of color in this country and others are being heard.

As for white privilege, I guess it's a thing a person probably doesn't notice if they're white.

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30 Jun 2020, 10:33 pm

sorrowfairiewhisper wrote:

or falsely accuse all whites of being privileged

Are we still pretending there are issues whites are far less likely to have to deal with than other people? That's white privilege in a nutshell, please don't let the truth offend you.

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01 Jul 2020, 2:42 am

funeralxempire wrote:

sorrowfairiewhisper wrote:

or falsely accuse all whites of being privileged

Are we still pretending there are issues whites are far less likely to have to deal with than other people? That's white privilege in a nutshell, please don't let the truth offend you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x70bndpc70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtYfHW5wu8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csLgX1IHPJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DRis-sCjCY&t=3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5GHkljX-So

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWf8JcRsq9k

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02 Jul 2020, 1:51 pm

sorrowfairiewhisper wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

sorrowfairiewhisper wrote:

or falsely accuse all whites of being privileged

Are we still pretending there are issues whites are far less likely to have to deal with than other people? That's white privilege in a nutshell, please don't let the truth offend you.

I'm not gonna bother watching these if you don't explain the point you wish to make with them.

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02 Jul 2020, 2:07 pm

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... For one, what makes you think that George Floyd was an armed robber? I haven't heard that from anywhere, and if he was I'm sure it would have come out by now...

According to Wikipedia...

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Between 1997 and 2005, Floyd was sentenced to jail terms eight times on various charges, including drug possession, theft and trespass. In 2009 he was sentenced to five years in prison for armed robbery and was paroled in January 2013. After Floyd's release, he became more involved with Resurrection Houston, a Christian church and ministry, where he mentored young men. He helped his mother recuperate after a stroke. He delivered meals and assisted on other projects with Angel By Nature Foundation, a charity founded by rapper Trae tha Truth. Later he became involved with a ministry that brought men from the Third Ward to Minnesota in a church-work program with drug rehabilitation and job placement services.

In 2014, Floyd moved to Minneapolis to find work. He was a truck driver and a bouncer, and lived in St. Louis Park. In 2017, he filmed an anti-gun violence video. From 2017 to 2018 he was a security guard for a Salvation Army facility. In 2019, George Floyd worked security at the El Nuevo Rodeo club with security guard Derek Chauvin. In 2020, he lost his security job at a bar and restaurant affected by the COVID-19 pandemic rules. That April, he contracted COVID-19, and recovered after a few weeks.

On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested after allegedly passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in the Powderhorn Park neighborhood of Minneapolis. He died after Derek Chauvin, a white police officer, pressed his knee to Floyd's neck for nearly eight minutes during the arrest. Floyd was handcuffed face down in the street, while two other officers further restrained Floyd and a fourth prevented onlookers from intervening. For the last three of those minutes Floyd was motionless and had no pulse, but officers made no attempt to revive him. Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's neck as arriving emergency medical technicians attempted to treat him.

So it would seem that the only crime that George Floyd was alleged to have committed in the 7 years since his parole was the alleged passing of a counterfeit $20 bill -- certainly a crime that (if true) was completely unworthy of having his neck crushed under the knee of a police office while two other police officers held him down and prevented paramedics from trying to save his life!

(As a side-note, was it ever proven that the bill was indeed counterfeit?)

The armed robbery that sorrowfairiewhisper cited happened more than a decade ago and, according to public records, George Floyd had rehabilitated himself sufficiently to be paroled and gain employment afterward.

@sorrowfairiewhisper: Why is it that after serving time for a crime committed over 10 years ago -- a crime for which he served his time and was paroled -- you seem to believe George Floyd deserved to be murdered on the street by racist cops?

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