so, we came *this* close to devastation?

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I'll bet you $100 Canadian that the USA doesn't nuke Iran during the bush administration, nor during the 8 years after that.

It would be absurd for any nation to use nuclear weapons against any other nation. MAD theory would say that basicly if a single nuclear weapon was launched towards anyone then all of civilization would be distoryed as all nations with nuclear arms would franticly fire their weapons, does not matter where the first missle hit, MAD is still very relevant even today.

You have to know how the world is run to understand the concept of limited war.
Most peole think thier Governments are at the top of thier countries tree, but as the British Prime minister Benjamin Disraeli frequently warned of, thier is a hidden hand, a power higher trha the government that controls it.

This same power is behind multiple governments and its influence is growing, just in the past few years it has taken control of Afganistan, Iraq, Africa, I understand Iran is next on the list.

As an example, look at the first world war, Germany was winning when its Zionist leaders capitulated once the goal of allowing Palestine to be used by the Jews via negotiations with Balfour had born fruit.

The third world war is the final one of the 3 world wars Albert Pike said would be required to establish the New World Order, once they have got you all frightened enough to abandon nationalism and chose a One World Government, they will decide to just stop the war, proving enough of us have been killed that is, population control is another goal.

And Doc, guess I was being a bit too vague in my post, I never said here that America was going to nuke Iran, my point about painting Made in Iran on an American nuke was that the Americans would drop it on themselves, blame Iran, hence the "Made in Iran" bit, and use that top get the American people to back a war against Iran, bit like Hitler did with the Polish, bit like Bush did with 911

Hmm... Well I know ill get absolutly blasted for saying this, but Ive always been supportive of a world governed by the UN, where nations would act like states, with some of their own laws, and the UN would loosly govern these states and their would no longer be a need for a military or lots of weapons. Their would be peace, everything would be settled by the UN and the human race can finally come together and work on programs (space exploration, environmental protection) as a unified ppl of Earth.

Of course, I doubt a global government would be as I would imagine it, I think (and im not sure how many ppl here are religious) but that the Bible does warn against this. Basicly using the Tower of Bable as an example, and ppls native laguages as a way to keep them from establishing a world order. Of course that was in the past.

IDK, just my thoughts... But the day in the US the government, or UN decides to disarm the American people, i think we will have a very big problem, especally if they succeed!

Exactly Woodsman, and just like the John Lennon song, "Imagine", a one world Government could solve all our problems especially regarding the point that with one Governmnet, there wouldnt be any enimies to go to war with.

But some points to consider,

Communism, in its pure state, is surely a good thing, but did Communism work so well for the Russians?, or was it a case of the top tier of society living the good life at the expense of the masses?

And look at Hitlers 3rd Richt, Along the lines of a One World Governmnet, a good thing?

You are astute to mention the example given of Nimrods Babel, a Mighty Hunter in opposition to God,
But did you know that most of what happens in the Old Testament is a Typical or model, of what happens in the New Testament the Anti-typical?

For example, the days of Noah when God brought destrution on the world because it was full of violence,
how do you see the world today?, full of violence maybe?
2nd Peter Chapter 3 states how the world at the end times will be brought to destruction for the same reasons as the flood of Noahs day.
And the Hebrews being brought through the Red sea into the Promised land, a model of the end days when the "Meek who will inherit the Earth" will be lead through the Great Tribulation into an Earth in which God rules and "War will be no more, nore will outcry or pain, for the former things have passed away".

The One World Order of Mans doing will be the Satanic counterfiet of Gods coming Kingdom, it will last for 42 months or 3 and a 1/2 years and anybody who submits to it, thier names are not found in the book of life, then it is destroyed and the real One World Order of God comes along.

Even if you dont subscribe to what most consider Biblical nonsence, (even if what the Bible fortold is shaping up), you might like to read the manifesto of the Illuminati or The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, then you will see what the UN version of Gods Kingdom has in store for the "Useless Eaters" as Kissinger calls us.

i get the feeling im talking to lose change enthusiasts, but anyway

to my understanding the split between the ussr and the usa was initially to do with the ussr's expansionism and the us occupation of japan, but the nukes built up on either side so they wouldn't be invaded or blown to s**t they paraded their nukes around

also russia was never communist it was just a dictatorship right from the beginning

and so long as you maintain your influence in iraq your economy should be ok for another decade or so, but that housing bubble thing is pretty funey

Loose change is the tiniest fraction of whats available,
These ones are better,
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=5693&forum=24

I particularily like the bridge sailing down the Hudson River!

The economy works by having ups and downs, its completly normal, the FED does an excellent job of keeping the economy stable by adjusting interest rates allowing these recessions and... well... I forget my economics from collage, what the minor upswings are called. But anyways, I doubt the US economy is in any danger of collapse, things over the long term remain stable due to tight government economic controls and only something outside of that control can cause serious issues (oil running out or production slowing or cost rising, terrorist attacks, war)

I think the global economy is strong and getting stronger, this is both good and bad, I would love to see the global economy shrink a bit over the long term so exessive materialism can be slowly curbed and damage to the environment can be slowed marginally. Does not look like that will happen for a long time, especally with Chinas economy, tho booming, its showing sighnes of slowing down, alot, and of course thatll happen their government should have known better then to allow their economy to explode the way it did, they should be alright, but they will push up oil prices in the future, and the power of a billion man economy, is something the whole world will feel. If a billion people want somethin (oil) then the whole world feels it and id hate to see the end result many years down the road.