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27 Nov 2007, 10:49 pm

"Cheaters never prosper."

In which utopia might this be?

And I also dislike "what doesn't kill you make you stronger", mostly because anyone who has told me this has led a very sheltered life.

More street-smart? Check. Suspicious? Check. Cynical? Check.

If it builds character, It's only after many, many years of misery. That being said, It's the misery which builds said character- not the event that created it.



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27 Nov 2007, 10:52 pm

Apollyon wrote:
"Cheaters never prosper."

In which utopia might this be?


Yeah. Just look at Martha Stewart and Enron, for starters. And I'm sure there are others.


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27 Nov 2007, 10:59 pm

hartzofspace wrote:

Yeah. Just look at Martha Stewart and Enron, for starters. And I'm sure there are others.


Pretty much all corporations. Ever. Everywhere.



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28 Nov 2007, 8:42 am

I hate 'what goes around comes around'.

Firstly it's nonsense (along the same lines as cheaters and their purported lack of prosperity in the earlier mentioned trash platitude). Most 'wrong-doers' who habitually do wrong either must be very stupid masochists, or get away with it to such an extent that the profit of wrongdoing is greater than the consequences; there is ample evidence in my own observations that those who send around negativity, routinely profit without cost from doing so, and good sense suggests if some mystic mechanism did send around whatever went around, that human behavior would be somewhat different to that observed.

Also it implies that one is the cause of one's own victim-hood, if you did not do something really very terrible, why did rape come around to you? If you did enough good stuff it would have come back around to you by now, so you must deserve all the bad luck you get; so not only do you have rotten luck, but in and of itself, this proves you deserve rotten luck.

So why even get off your butt and improve yourself or your lot in life, just be nice and niceness will come around to you.

Talk about a way to ignore all injustice, blame victims, and convince everyone to sit on their backsides waiting for things to 'come around', all in one provably false platitude.



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28 Nov 2007, 9:00 am

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Thanks to EvilKimEvil for getting the original quote. In absence of an explanation, I still think it's ludicrous. I guess it rubs my (Aspie?) sense of justice the wrong way. To me it's suggesting that maiming of others is 'just one of those things', 'could be done by anyone'. I admit if it was "An accidental insult for an accidental insult would make the whole world insulted", then that's fine. We all are capable of insulting others accidently. Only a minority of us are capable of initiating physical violence, though. And I worry that these sort of sayings are "grooming" the rest of us to tolerate being victimised.

Your mileage may vary, though (hey, now that's a saying I like!)


Eye for an eye => revenge
whole world blind => everyone suffers
The practice of taking revenge (or retaliation) on others for perceived injustices against you will ultimately cause everyone to suffer.

I don't see why that is so problematic. Punishment does not have to be equivalent to revenge.



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28 Nov 2007, 9:58 am

"Have your cake and eat it too," presumably meaning having things both ways. The correct version is "eat your cake and have it too," which, to me, has more to do with being prodigal and wasteful with one's resources and then expecting them to be there in the future. That version makes more sense.



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28 Nov 2007, 11:12 am

Wow--- yesterday I almost really DID "cry over spilled milk".
I was driving my Oldsmobile and decided to buy some milk quickly at the gas station. i put the jug next to me and, on the way home, the jug rolled upside down. i literally bit my lip and hoped that the cap didn't come off--- imagine the smell THAT would create, and in a 38 year old car, as well. I guess even some of the goofiest phrases CAN happen, abeit rarely.



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28 Nov 2007, 6:01 pm

I hate it when someone tries to persuade me to follow some fad in music or play a game or participate in some mindless pursuit,
they always say: "You don't know what you're missing...." If I don't know I'm missing something, then I'm not missing it, Get it?


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28 Nov 2007, 6:03 pm

Apollyon wrote:
"Cheaters never prosper."

In which utopia might this be?


Team Fortress 2.

Yay, VAC!



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28 Nov 2007, 6:08 pm

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“Easy as Pie.” Somebody needs to do away with that saying. I’ve made pie from scratch, it isn’t that easy.


but the saying isn't "easy as MAKING pie"

so i always just thought that pie was kind of slu*ty. or just really GOOD. "as easy on the toungue as some smooth, silky, hot pie"

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28 Nov 2007, 6:19 pm

ManErg wrote:
Another one I don't like:

"In the Kingdom of the Blind, the One Eyed Man is King".

H.G. Wells wrote an interesting story about this, where a one eyed man stumbles upon an island where everyone is genetically blind. Out hero doesn't become king though, the non-sighted just *know* that the sighted man is lying and is a total aberration to humanity, so they abuse him out and kill him for being a heretic, or somesuch. So it should be "In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is persecuted and probably winds up crucified"


I think the sense of this saying is that, for example, surrounded by brainless incompetents, someone of mediocre ability would stand out from the others and at least by contrast appear good - 'king' referring more to supposed nobility better than common folk) rather than to authority. At least in Spanish this saying is used in this sense,.


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28 Nov 2007, 8:00 pm

"I could care less."

Yes you could, and you could also think a bit harder about what you're saying. The original and correct form is "I couldn't care less", meaning that your level of caring is as low as possible as opposed to actually caring some amount in the incorrect version.



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28 Nov 2007, 9:39 pm

How about, "Time Heals All Wounds." No, it doesn't. I have suffered permanent psychological damage from certain individuals and certain acts in my childhood, which as far as I'm aware, haven't healed. Maybe I've gotten tired of hating those people or regretting those acts, but I don't feel anything like healing.


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29 Nov 2007, 12:10 pm

"How are you doing?"

This is one of the most pointless, meaningless phrases to ever be hideously overused. Besides, the speaker often couldn't care less.



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29 Nov 2007, 4:48 pm

mnamna wrote:
"How are you doing?"

This is one of the most pointless, meaningless phrases to ever be hideously overused. Besides, the speaker often couldn't care less.


I agree. I always respond to this with a "fine!" in the most course way possible. Not as to be rude, but just because I don't relate this kind of meaningless fluff, and I don't find an honest answer to be of anyone's (strangers) particular business. Not that they're looking for an honest answer, because if I told them "crappy" they would be shocked and appalled.

My dad, however, is not so restrained and actually gives an honest answer. If they become rattled he reminds them that "well you're the one who asked!"



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29 Nov 2007, 4:52 pm

Has anyone said, "Have a nice day!" yet? That phrase, politically correct or not, is worthless.