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16 Oct 2008, 11:16 am

Would I say that greed is wrong? Definitely, ESPECIALLY on a personal level. However, in a certain sense, greed can be tied to Endeavor - the desire to accomplish things and carve out a place for oneself in the world. And that is the basis of a lot of great parts of the world.

I'd say that a bit of greed is necessary on a business level, but, like many vices, runs the risk of consuming you entirely. If greed is your biggest motivator, you've gone wrong somewhere. Lust for money is a motivation for all sorts of evil. Still, I'd say that a capitalist system (which, it is said, is based on greed) is a necessary construct for a society that can thrive and function on a permanent basis. It is that system from which compassion and charity become possible.


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16 Oct 2008, 11:18 am

Sin ... what a concept! It presupposes something or someone that could be sinned against, when most of what passes for "sin" is merely an act of selfishness, or a neuropathic behavioral disorder.

Pride: Obsessive, compulsive, and/or excessive desire to be more important or attractive than others, and excessive love of self - especially the willing refusal to submit to a subordinate position toward God and religious authority. People that willingly exercise their freedom to choose are often considered Pride-filled, especially when they choose to not submit to church authority and display the annoying tendency to withhold money for tithes and offerings from the church, which takes its percentage before passing the remainder (if any) along to the poor.

Lust: Obsessive, compulsive, and/or excessive desire or thoughts of a sexual nature. The Christian religions object to Lust mainly for its inherent distraction from devotion to God and other religious practices, such as attending indoctrination sessions (a.k.a.; Mass, Bible study, Sunday School, et cetera.), tithing, or makings monetary offerings to the church.

Gluttony: Over-indulgence and over-consumption of anything to the point of waste. The Christian religions object to Gluttony because of the excessive desire for food, and/or the willing refusal to share it with the needy. Money spent on consumables is not tithed or offered to the church.

Greed: Desire for the acquisition of extreme wealth, status, power, or influence. The Christian religions object to Greed because of the excessive desire for material wealth, and/or the willing refusal to tithe or offer money to the church.

Sloth: First called the Sin of Sadness or Despair. Early Christian writers described Sloth with the same or similar terms used to describe Clinical Depression - apathy, depression, joylessness, and melancholy. The Christian religions object to Sloth because slothful people don’t work, those who don’t work don’t earn money, and those with no money have nothing to tithe or offer money to the church.

Wrath: Obsessive, compulsive, and/or excessive desire or thoughts of a violent nature, such as revenge, murder, hatred and anger. These feelings can manifest as willing denial of Biblical “Truth,” and the willing refusal to tithe or offer money to the church.

Envy: Obsessive, compulsive, and/or excessive desire for something that another person has that is perceived as lacking in the envious person, and the willful desire that the other person to be deprived of – such as monetary tithes and offerings to the church.

NOTE: All of these so-called "Sins" have at their root the exercise of free will, which any religious or secular authority abhors for the tendency of people to choose to administer their own self-interests, rather than become mindless drones under the control of a religious or secular authority.

Once you convince a person of their sin-filled nature, you can use their own guilt and shame to manipulate them to your ... uh ... God's will, especially when it comes to indulging them to buy their way out of eternal damnation with their tithes and offerings to you ... uh ... the church.



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16 Oct 2008, 11:30 am

Pluto means 'giver of wealth' right or something like that, I know that Pluto was the roman god of the underworld was known by as having wealth conecting him to the treasures in the ground. many people that would try to enter the underworld the domain of Pluto/Hades often whent in greed and would then get killed. Personaly by looking at a lot of the older religeon you see a lot of greed, even there own gods were not exempt from it, though I would not know of many by Hades/Pluto except probably one act of sexual assault. But Zeus/Jupiter and Hera were what I think of being quite bad, with they having a lot of these sins.


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16 Oct 2008, 11:32 am

Pride.

That is your sin, Fnord. Whether you accept it or not.



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16 Oct 2008, 11:44 am

slowmutant wrote:
Pride.
That is your sin, Fnord. Whether you accept it or not.

Thank you, your holiness! Without you and people like you, the rest of us would never know that having pride in one's self is a sin ... as if we even needed to know.

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Fortunately, pride is not a crime, so I have nothing at all to worry about.

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16 Oct 2008, 11:54 am

Also carefull Slowmutant not to release your wrath upon us by nameing all of our sins, it might feel good but that is also instilling pride in you. Remember people make love not mortal sin.

where are the sins of WP anyway? Havent realy seen them all in a while.


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16 Oct 2008, 1:49 pm

I almost got banned from WrongPlanet because my wrath against other members was too great. But thanks anyway, Bradleigh. :wink:



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16 Oct 2008, 1:51 pm

Not that it matters much, Fnord, but in your case Pride means refusing to acknowledge a higher power.



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16 Oct 2008, 2:03 pm

[quote="Bradleigh"]Also carefull Slowmutant not to release your wrath upon us by nameing all of our sins, it might feel good but that is also instilling pride in you. Remember people make love not mortal sin.

where are the sins of WP anyway? Havent realy seen them all in a while.[/quote]

Here. :twisted:


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16 Oct 2008, 2:06 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Not that it matters much, Fnord, but in your case Pride means refusing to acknowledge a higher power.

It is irrational to acknowledge a higher power that does not exist.



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16 Oct 2008, 2:06 pm

We all tend to hide, justify, or cover up our sins in some way. WP members do this but so does the human race in general. And of course I count myself as part of the human race.

Believe me, I am no saint. :oops:



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16 Oct 2008, 3:34 pm

sufi wrote:
TO SpiceWolf: ....


Thanks for clarifying.

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16 Oct 2008, 9:50 pm

Greed is just the intersection of stupidity and ambition.

Although all and all usually an overrated "sin" being used as a cover for class guerrilla warfare.


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16 Oct 2008, 10:37 pm

Hmm, this thread has got me realizing that I haven't seen Greed lately. :scratch:

By that I mean the member with the title, I see the sin itself everyday...... in me.... :twisted:


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17 Oct 2008, 7:22 pm

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NOTE: All of these so-called "Sins" have at their root the exercise of free will, which any religious or secular authority abhors for the tendency of people to choose to administer their own self-interests, rather than become mindless drones under the control of a religious or secular authority.


Although the Seven Deadly Sins are often refered to in a religious contexts, I am an athiest, who believes they do provide a set of guidelines for correct behavior. They are a way to look at yourself and ask who you are harming.


To Fnord:
Your right Pride is not a crime. but it can get you into trouble just like the rest.

If you prefer, take out the word 'sin', which seems to have a negative reation for you and call it. "Seven Questionable Behaviours which can De-rail your life". You still have a list of words of behaviors that can be used to examine your life, understand your self and motives and perhaps learn from your mistakes and correct negative behavior.


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