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06 Aug 2020, 6:04 pm

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But we will never be larger or as great as The Mother. Looking at Her can bring bliss which is totally devoid of erotic character.

My mentality disagrees with Quran, but also with the Bible and it is a problem in my religious life. Mathematical and literal or scientific miracles of Quran are very puzzling for my nature (scientific are the weakest ones from them according to my mentality, but they may be the most used ones by Muslims to convince to Quran-based religion). I read very anticatholic page http://www.zbawienie.com (which is in Polish and "zbawienie" means "salvation") and I had religious problems because of the context of that page. Another very problematic page for my mentality is http://www.johnthebaptist.us - it is extremely sedevacantistic, it seems to be greatly schismatic (or even heretic) against catholicism, that page teaches very rigorous doctrine. Other is http://www.quran-islam.org, which is associated with a form of post-Khalific Quran-only Islam. My mentality considers believers of such a religions as presented on these pages "one of the worst people in the history of Earth" because in their teaching God "looks" to be capricious, vain, greedy, cruel, sadistic, despotic, merciless, malevolent, loveless etc.

Quite often I have problems with writing longer posts. Poor executive functioning? Negative symptoms of schizophrenia?


I've bee. Quite tolerant of anything you post All this time Ive used WP and kept it civil and intellect and fact based only if I disagreed with a statement you made.
Surely you remember this. For instance I made fact based statements about the Names of God and Quran in response to something and kept it mild and light.

ive also kept civil and non combatant with users who posyed blatant slurs and so forth.
I understand this is not a drop in the ocean of actual issues in the world

However-
I have bolded what is inappropriate and wrong by WP community standards.
As apparently they care about things now and for lesser things have deleted posts...


Let's see if mods...edited to make it more palatable to their sensibilities. This hasn't been the first time here and not the last for sure.
I keep remembering someone as lovely and fair-minded as IsabellaLinton chose to leave this forum for a reason.

No more to say. Carry on sir. May your prejudices do you well in life. :roll:


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06 Aug 2020, 7:47 pm

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Other is http://www.quran-islam.org, which is associated with a form of post-Khalific Quran-only Islam. My mentality considers believers of such a religions as presented on these pages "one of the worst people in the history of Earth" because in their teaching God "looks" to be capricious, vain, greedy, cruel, sadistic, despotic, merciless, malevolent, loveless etc.


“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."

Matthew 7:1-2

You need serious help for many reasons. But to say that anyone is "one of the worst people on Earth" for their religious beliefs is the height of judgmentalism and prejudice... One of the reasons I frankly am not a fan of Western theology.

Your mentality needs to stop being so harsh towards others.

edit: IsabellaLinton left?


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06 Aug 2020, 8:11 pm

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She is greater than the Cherubim and Seraphim, but she's also an example of what all of mankind can be. We aspire to be like Mary.

Because she died as virgin but had a child? Or because of the fairytale she told to her son about his father?

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But to say that anyone is "one of the worst people on Earth" for their religious beliefs is the height of judgmentalism and prejudice...

Don't know. There are religiots who like to kill people just because of their different beliefs. The IS (islamic state) isn't just harmless fun as well as burning 'witches' or holy wars were if it came to christians.
In Saudi Arabia they kill people for sorcery or witchcraft even today. Welcome on planet earth!



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06 Aug 2020, 8:34 pm

quite an extreme wrote:
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She is greater than the Cherubim and Seraphim, but she's also an example of what all of mankind can be. We aspire to be like Mary.

Because she died as virgin but had a child? Or because of the fairytale she told to her son about his father?

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But to say that anyone is "one of the worst people on Earth" for their religious beliefs is the height of judgmentalism and prejudice...

Don't know. There are religiots who like to kill people just for their different beliefs. The IS (islamic state) isn't just harmless fun as well as burning 'witches' or holy wars were if it came to christians.


There have been 100s of accepted qualified Islamic scholars around the world who since it began signed a declaration against have made statements against wrote extensively and lectured against ISIS and Taliban.
I attended one of these which lasted hours and then beyond that also was covering things like historical examples inc at Makkah where these types held pilgrims hostage which few ppl know of

This is an example https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syri ... 3120140925

There is also this
Which is covered and supported by the text anyway but was made to increase awareness among uneducated people

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... -terrorism

Not sure why much of mainstream media failed to cover it as far as I saw- because it was a big deal-

Maybe the same reason they never covered when their own countries would bomb civilians -- with UN outlawed bombs, illegal thibgs which caused their own soldiers lifelong health problems, birth defects among the citizens to this day, etc
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but the statement covers in detail everything in the context of Quran and Sunnah among other things.



My nice brother studies conflicts of the M. East region and has written in depth for an anti terrorism think tank.

You can PM me and I can send u a link to his twitter if you care to get a glimpse. I won't post it here because he told me in the past not to share his twitter here because there have been some really shady creepy people he has had to deal with and he doesnt want me to be pulled into it by association. But I trust you as we've messaged a few times and you seem decent.

ISIS has among other things threatened and attempted attacks on accepted mainstream Islamic (qualified which means years of study at actual universities) scholars which ought to tell you something.

Finally, to call a ginormous GROUP of people the worst people in this particukar way breaks the rules here.

This person has phrased this type of sentiment in a drawn out different way before which I never minded as it was an opinion without intentional bigotry.


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06 Aug 2020, 9:05 pm

Forgot to add that. If your stqtement were true armies such as the extremely religious for the most part -
Pakistani army wd not have spent what must be a decade or more now fighting terrorists esp those along the border alongside usa bombing the province. Which has resulted in many many martyrs who were fighting against these militant terrorist groups.

A relative of mine was a general in it and prime minister of pak leading the military operations against them during his time -- current PM imran khan us doing the same. Both are religious inc normal stuff like Salat Hajj etc
If you doubt their spirituality you can Google for proof of above eg pictutes of them in makkah for Hajj
if what u said were true why would a religious man do that?

we all know the difference between them (taliban etc) and Islam.


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07 Aug 2020, 6:16 am

Checking to see whether mods did anything about it...I had reported it when it was posted. Nope.

They sure were speedy about taking down the non offensive posts to someone perhaps because Id mentioned occurences such as a person in the past whose name was not given,
who had been drunk posting blatant-- and irrelevant to the thread-- slurs without any repurcussion as an example of how non PC the place is to a person complaining it was PC?
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07 Aug 2020, 6:51 am

I don't have asthma.

Got plenty of factors and odds of having one or being very prone having it, yet I don't.


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07 Aug 2020, 3:39 pm

I smoke 15 cigarettes a day on average and can still get through an hour long HiiT session with no problem.


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07 Aug 2020, 3:48 pm

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You need serious help for many reasons. But to say that anyone is "one of the worst people on Earth" for their religious beliefs is the height of judgmentalism and prejudice... One of the reasons I frankly am not a fan of Western theology.

Your mentality needs to stop being so harsh towards others.


Even worse text than that from my post (My mentality considers believers of such a religions as presented on these pages "one of the worst people in the history of Earth" because in their teaching God "looks" to be capricious, vain, greedy, cruel, sadistic, despotic, merciless, malevolent, loveless etc.) is found IN THE QURAN (chapter 98, verse 6):
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Verily, those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture and Al-Mushrikûn will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.

Translation from http://transliteration.org/quran/WebSit ... Fram2E.htm (without content in quotation marks which are present in original text)

My mentality considers monotheists believing in eternal damnation (especially in form of endless torment or even annihilation or just temporal torture as punishment from God) as blasphemers, hypocrites of some sort and blatant disbelievers (especially in goodness, love, omnibenevolence, mercy, graciousness of God) which are worse than atheists, polytheists, agnostics, deists or sorcerers.



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07 Aug 2020, 4:30 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
I've bee. Quite tolerant of anything you post All this time Ive used WP and kept it civil and intellect and fact based only if I disagreed with a statement you made.
Surely you remember this. For instance I made fact based statements about the Names of God and Quran in response to something and kept it mild and light.

ive also kept civil and non combatant with users who posyed blatant slurs and so forth.
I understand this is not a drop in the ocean of actual issues in the world

However-
I have bolded what is inappropriate and wrong by WP community standards.
As apparently they care about things now and for lesser things have deleted posts...


Let's see if mods...edited to make it more palatable to their sensibilities. This hasn't been the first time here and not the last for sure.
I keep remembering someone as lovely and fair-minded as IsabellaLinton chose to leave this forum for a reason.

No more to say. Carry on sir. May your prejudices do you well in life. :roll:

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“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."

Matthew 7:1-2

You need serious help for many reasons. But to say that anyone is "one of the worst people on Earth" for their religious beliefs is the height of judgmentalism and prejudice... One of the reasons I frankly am not a fan of Western theology.

Your mentality needs to stop being so harsh towards others.

blooiejagwa wrote:
Checking to see whether mods did anything about it...I had reported it when it was posted. Nope.

They sure were speedy about taking down the non offensive posts to someone perhaps because Id mentioned occurences such as a person in the past whose name was not given,
who had been drunk posting blatant-- and irrelevant to the thread-- slurs without any repurcussion as an example of how non PC the place is to a person complaining it was PC?
:nerdy:


Judging in fact is not a good way... But my mentality thinks that belief in any form of eternal perdition, especially obviously painful or associated with annihilation, is evil and absurdal.

Fo my nature people who believed in endless damnation are in blatant error and it appears that they may usually be benevolent "in nature" and would be happy if every conscious creature would have been happy endlessly and would have eternally existed without any suffering BUT abrahamic books (Quran, Bible) and dogmas made them somewhat "VERY FRIGHTENED" so they voluntarily accept the teaching about eternal torment or annihilation because they fear that if they would have believed in universal salvation they would be disobedient to God, heretic and severely sinful. They may be for my mentality like somewhat/partially "insane", "severely mentally ill, delusional, psychotic" persons due to their fear of SCARY divine punishment, not "abominable blasphemers and disbelievers". It supposed that only small numbers of hell-believers are malevolent "EVIL" people who want torment or annihilation for certain (if not most) sentient beings.

My mentality notices that despite they belief in hell, Abrahamic monotheists believe in many monotheistic truths, such as oneness of God, His beginlessness (and endlessness), creation of everything who/what is not Him by Him from total nothingness, His unchangeableness, impossibility of suffering of divine nature.

Above are views of my MENTALITY and NATURE, but NOT of my WILL. My mentality classified me as "very frightened, insane-like person" who fears committing grave sin by belief in universalism of salvation.



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07 Aug 2020, 6:41 pm

Universalism is not anathema. St. Isaac of Nineveh was universalist.

"Your mentality" seems separate from you. What is "your mentality?"


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07 Aug 2020, 9:21 pm

Ive always noted your tendency to state without context inc Ahadith. And gave you the layout for how one isn't separate from the other with examples. If you had delved into it thoroughly you would have a complete picture.
I have done so and spent a majority of my childhood to early twenties doing that as it was a curiosity to me as it is with you to figure out the mentality behind different religions and ideologies though admittedly focused mainly on 2.
Ive written the long though actually very summed up considering, explanations before and will not do so again.
Have had enough - you can believe as you wish but to state it in this particular way here on a forum no less is 1. Against the rules. 2. Plain @ssholery.
3. The inaction shows mods' usual biases.

Such as not doing a thing when a particular user out of context (unrelated to the thread completely) abused another assuming he was Muslim (when he was not )and further abused his culture. And so it goes.

IsabellaLinton who was a gift to us as an example of how to communicate fairly and with wisdom without ever showing vitriol--

used to PM me in frustratiom about such things in reference to Muslims and that she had come upon randomly..AND reported to no effect (all of her own accord) and I used to tell her not to care as it was very low on the list of actual issues in the world.


Will take my own advice here.


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08 Aug 2020, 11:03 am

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Universalism is not anathema. St. Isaac of Nineveh was universalist.

"Your mentality" seems separate from you. What is "your mentality?"

At least in Catholic Church belief that the punishment of damned humans will end is a heresy because of the Church Magisterium. Especially among rigoristic sedevacantists like Dimond brothers, ProphecyFilm and Richard Joseph Michael Ibranyi (the latest has the most extreme doctrine and considers popes from nearly last 900 years invalid, heretics or apostates). I do not want to promote schism or heresy (and sedevacantism appears to be one of them).

I found scary article about hell, endless damnation in Catholic doctrine, I suppose that it is not a sedevacantist page: https://www.ecatholic2000.com/hell/hell.shtml. Fragment from the beginning of the page (with my emphasis), from which my mentality of course DISAGREES:
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The Dogma of Hell is the most terrible truth of our faith. There is a hell. We are sure of it as of the existence of God, the existence of the sun. Nothing, in fact, is more clearly revealed than the dogma of hell, and Jesus Christ proclaims it as many as fifteen times in the Gospel.

Reason comes to the support of revelation; the existence of a hell is in harmony with the immutable notions of justice engraved in the human heart. Revealed to men from the beginning, and conformable to natural reason, this dreadful truth has always been, and is still known, by all nations not plunged by barbarism in complete ignorance.

Hell never has been denied by heretics, Jews or Mohammedan. The pagans themselves have retained their belief in it, although the errors of paganism may have impaired in their minds the sound notion.

It has been reserved for modern and contemporaneous atheism, carried to the pitch of delirium, to outdo the impiety of all ages by denying the existence of hell.

My mentality is clerarly different from my will, "superego". "My mentality" is my feelings, ideas, "natural" opinions not "controlled" by will, my "wanting" and wishful thinking.



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08 Aug 2020, 12:28 pm

One of my great-grandfathers was born in 1838.

BTW let's hope replies on this thread continue to be on-topic in contrast to some of the more recent ones!


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08 Aug 2020, 1:02 pm

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