HighLlama wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
^ Was this an example of early stereo, or did the 1999 CD remaster attempt to stereoize it? Or are you stereoizing a monaural track?
When you "took" the track from the Columbia CD, did you rip it in WAV format, or some other lossless format, or was it ripped in a compressed type (like MP3)? I'm curious how you went about attaining the source track before even getting to work on fixing it.
i ripped them as .wav files, no way would i compress them first. it was mono as it was recorded, i stereoized it per my own preference. it was recorded january 16, 1938 @ carnegie hall on what was even then primitive technology, 12" 78 rpm recorders being fed by 10kc wide bandwidth phone lines from the hall to the recording studio cutting lathe a few blocks away. this was reissued from the original aluminum metal mothers and first generation pressings [damaged at this point after 61 years of wear and tear]. this edition came out in 1999 by columbia on a 2-CD set. the reviews at the time and since were scathingly bad, phil schaap really goofed on it, he used the wrong-sized styli for the transfers, he left out a few bars here and there seemingly due to inattention, so despite his saying his was the first complete edition, he was wrong.
Hi, Auntblabby. I have the older, 80s (early 90s?) Columbia CD of that concert. I know some people have issues with that master, but is it complete? Sounds like Phil Schaap bungled his share of releases, from what I've read. I do enjoy the complete Verve sets for Billie Holiday and Charlie Parker, though I think Dennis Drake did better masters back in the 80s.
long story made short, the version you have is basically the version engineer [and music-loving nuclear physicist] bill savory transcribed onto tape in 1950. with the crude tools he had back in the day [analog filtering and edit console consisting of oscilloscope, editing block, grease pencil, razor blade and adhesive tape], there were certain bits of the old phonographic recordings that were too worn or noisy to fix and too noisy to include, no digital noise reduction back then. so "
sometimes i'm happy" (originally came after "don't be that way" which was the first track) and bits of "
honeysuckle rose" were left out, the former because they also had to make room on the LP for other songs, and because of disc damage for the latter, as well as the 2nd-to-last song of the concert, "
if dreams come true" - your 1986 columbia CD has the same limitations but they added some reverb to it in order to make it sound less like it was recorded in a telephone booth. so your version has more "space" or "air" in it but it's artificial. OTOH, the version i have [1999 columbia] is "more" complete but missing the parts i described due to the inept editing of it by its producer. your version is relatively veiled-sounding but at least isn't a punishment on the eardrums like the schaap version is. schaap said in the liner notes that "
your ears are the best noise reduction system there is." which is nonsense esp. for those of us on the spectrum who tend to be incapable of ignoring loud noise. in 1993, 6 years before the 1999 remaster came out, sony released a CEDARed version of at least one song from the album, "
sing sing sing," on a jazz compilation CD, it sounded much better which also puts the lie to the purists who say that any noise reduction "ruins the music."
. I agree, I don't think all noise reduction is bad. It's certainly preferable to the obnoxious compression and limiting people use, and bass boost. I have a few jazz releases using CEDAR and don't have any major complaints about it.
I also relate about not ignoring loud noise. Things tend to be sensory Heaven or sensory hell for us. At least that's the case for me.